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On Aug 30, 8:46 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Fattuchus <fattuc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 29, 5:48 pm, Donz5 <do...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate

By Sharon Begley | NEWSWEEK
Published Aug 29, 2009

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214254

To the credit of opponents of health-care reform, the lies and
exaggerations they're spreading are not made up out of whole cloth?
which makes the misinformation that much more credible. Instead,
because opponents demand that everyone within earshot (or e-mail
range) look, say, "at page 425 of the House bill!," the lies take on
a patina of credibility. Take the claim in one chain e-mail that the
government will have electronic access to everyone's bank account,
implying that the Feds will rob you blind. The 1,017-page bill passed
by the House Ways and Means Committee does call for electronic fund
transfers?but from insurers to doctors and other providers. There is
zero provision to include patients in any such system. Five other
myths that won't die:

[1] You'll have no choice in what health benefits you receive.
The myth that a "health choices commissioner" will decide what
benefits you get seems to have originated in a july 19 post at
blog.flecksoflife.com, whose homepage features an image of Obama
looking like heath ledger's joker. In fact, the house bill sets up a
health-care exchange?essentially a list of private insurers and one
government plan?where people who do not have health insurance through
their employer or some other source (including small businesses) can
shop for a plan, much as seniors shop for a drug plan under medicare
part d. The government will indeed require that participating plans
not refuse people with preexisting conditions and offer at least
minimum coverage, just as it does now with employer-provided
insurance plans and part d.

I have made this very suggestion several times in this thread. Pass a
law requring insurers to accept people with pre existing conditions.

We don't need a government wide plan.

We haven't had a "government wide plan" under serious consideration. We
have several proposals in which people can choose to keep their existing
insurance, and *some* of them allow the option for people to select a
government-run plan *if they choose to*.





[2] No chemo for older medicare patients.
The threat that medicare will give cancer patients over 70 only
end-of- life counseling and not chemotherapy?as a nurse at a
hospital told a roomful of chemo patients, including the uncle of a
NEWSWEEK reporter? has zero basis in fact. It's just a vicious form
of the rationing scare. The house bill does not use the word
"ration." Nor does it call for cost-effectiveness research, much
less implementation?the idea that "it isn't cost-effective to give a
90-year-old a hip replacement."

The general claim that care will be rationed under health-care reform
is less a lie and more of a non-disprovable projection (as is Howard
Dean's assertion that health-care reform will not lead to rationing,
ever).
No rationing, eh? If 30 million people are suddenely added to the
people who can get health care, where will all the doctors and
hospitals come from? Will they spring up from the ground overnight
like blades of grass?

<groan>


< RichL, it is common sense. Supply and demand.

If the new system is phased in gradually, over the course of several
years, that is one thing. But if the new medical care system is put
in place quickly, there will not be enough doctors and hospitals to
cover the flood of patients. The claim is that there are a good 30 or
40 million uninsured people. That's a lot of people. >

What will be the increased demand for services? Do you know it will be a
"flood" or are you guessing? By how much will this "flood surpass what can
currently be provided? Do you know or are you guessing?




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