Re: Torture unacdeptable

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On Jul 2, 1:36 pm, freshfeces <freshfe...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 1, 9:47 pm, "Nancy" <k...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Force-fed a baseball. Imagine the impossibility of that. Imagine
how
impossibly painful that action would be, the destruction of some
facial
muscles. This is only one one-hundredth of the nightmare Americans
are
forcing on men, women and children who live at our secret jails
scattered
over the world and on ships at sea. It's also a small part of the
horrific
realities for men, women and children at Guantanamo Bay, Abu
Ghraib
and
other known holding sites for "enemy combatants."
My claims sound outrageous buy they are supported by the
International
Committee of the Red Cross, which to many won't be proof of
anything.
But
recently a major report on medical evidence of our torture
policies
against
innocent men, women, and children detainees was issued by the
physicians
for
human rights. It's supported by Major General Anthony Ta-guba who
worked
at
Abu Ghraib.
Before you decide to consider me a traitor to the country, before
you
decide
to call me a terrorist sympa-thizer, before you decide to laugh at
my
statements, think about this: what if your son or daughter or
husband
or
wife were captured by the Taliban and treated in this manner,
would
it
be so
funny? Would it be so easy to ignore?
The bush Administration is forcing our military to be-have in
manners
contrary to law, both man made law and God's law. Our military are
being
used by an administra-tion that cares about only one thing: oil
rights
Most recently Mr. Bush himself said in an interview with Skye News
of
Britain that the torture "should not reflect, you know, America..
This
is
the
actions of some soldiers." Yet on June 12 Mr. Bush admitted to ABC
News
that
he did indeed give the go ahead for torture.

What an ass!!! The Taliban don't ask if you'd like to eat a
baseball. They just slit your fucking throat. I have no ill feelings
towards Gitmo or Abu Ghraib. In fact I think we should have tied
their balls to electrical leads and fried them. Now our Supreme
Court
has given these fucks the same rights as US citizens. Tell me what
other country has ever done that? You like to cling to that word
innocent. How the *** do you know that? But if your so willing to
believe the International Red Cross about how bad we are, why don't
you go give yourself up to the Taliban or the *** heads in Iraq and
report to us how will you were treated. But I know you don't have
the
balls to do something like that. So in the meantime, shut the ***
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You're no different from those Taliban people. And your government
doesn't aske the prisoners they're torturing if they'd like to eat a
baseball.

Yes we are. The Taliban kills anyone who they choose not to like. The
Coalition are killing insurgents and Taliban. Simple.- Hide quoted
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No. You don't know if they are insurgents ans Taliban.

Well hell-fuckin-o. Of course I do not know if they are insurgents or
Taliban. I am retired Deeeetroit area police officer who can tell who is
a
criminal or not. I fully trust the honorable men and women of our
voluntary military and the other members of the Coalition to find out
and
kill the terrorist insurgents and Taliban members. Shoot em so many
times
that they will stay dead for a long time.- Hide quoted text -

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You cannot just trust them. That's what the justice system exists
for, not governments. Hundreds of years ago people notice that it was
not safe nor fair to let kings decide who was guilty and who wasn't
and what penalties should be applied.
Are you saying we should just throw all that to the garbage and let
governments have the duty and power of imparting justice?. Because,
you know, if they're that good at it, they should always do it. What
do we need a justice system for?.

We need to rely on the justice system to decide how the use of force was
used after the fact that prompted our defense forces. War crime tribunals
were in place after WWII to decide he actions of the Germans and Japanese
that prompted WWII. Justice was served with hangings, firing squads, long
sentences, suicides of those in custody, like Hermann Georing. The Allies
re-built Germany and Japan, removed their Fascist/Imperialist form of
government, and restored peace and a good economy.

The whole point is to restore human rights. Every insurgent and Taliban
member has a bull's-eye target on their head. Eventually, they will get
tired of getting killed by us infidels. They will be ashamed of getting
killed, instead of martrying themselves in suicide bombings.- Hide quoted
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You're mixing things.  Mantaining people in prison for 7 years is not
an action of war.  What you describe, the justice system working after
the fact is only acceptable when it wasn't possible that it would act
before.  That is not the case with the Guantanamo prisoners nor with
the prisoners they held in secret prisons.

The detainee's actions were the act of war, no the US's actions. Hey, list
them as POW's and we can still keep em.

If it's a war, then the US actions would have to be acts of war also
(that is, killing them od "arresting" them, but not holding them in
prison for years).
If they are POW's then the Geneva convention applies.
If they have simply commited terrorist acts then they have to be
tried, you know, to see if they are guilty or not.



Anyway, the goverment arrested these people, what is the problem with
the justice system deciding if that is fine or not?.

I do not see a problem.  They are enjoying a higher quality of life than the
were in the desert.

You don't see a problem?. I see we agree about that then.

About the quality of life, since this thread is about torture, I guess
you're kidding.


About the secons world war, well, it says a lot that only Germans and
Japanese were judged for war crimes.  And I don't think we can say
that the allies rebuilt Germany and Japan.  Haven't studied much about
Japan, but that isn't true about Germany.

The Allies sure did re-build Germany and Japan after WWII.  The Allies also
took care of Berlin after the Commies took over, remember the Berlin
Air-Lift?  We still have troops stationed in Germany and in Japan since the
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The air-lift was years after the war. Right after the war, the allies
didn't care if the German population starved to death. Actually, it
seems that's kind of what they wanted. Have you heard about the
Morgenthau plan?.
That until they thought that Germany would be a good ally against
communism.

And I don't think that the US troops in Germany and Japan are there
because they wanna help them.
.

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