Re: LOVE Appreciation: A Generational Thing?

On 7 Mar, 15:23, david_bla...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Mar 7, 9:47 am, JohnB <johnbo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On 7 Mar, 14:20, david_bla...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Mar 7, 8:29 am, JohnB <johnbo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So says who? Apart from yourself, obviously. Are you setting
yourself up as some elevated elder who deems what is worthy and what
is not? You imply I'm not a purist because I like LOVE. My
conclusion from this is that a purist is not a good thing to be.

That's your great failing, because you obviously can't discern between
quality work and schlock. You've been conditioned to avoid being
judgmental, which is another reason you are an unreliable arbiter of
quality.

Everyone on this planet has been conditioned to some extent. I know
what is quality and what is "schlock". My opinion as to what falls
under which heading may differ from yours - which no doubt you'll put
down to my "conditioning". For my own purposes, there is no more
reliable arbiter of quality than me.

I have age and experience on my side that guides my judgment, plus I
didn't damage my brain doing illegal drugs or abusing alcohol.

Whether you mean to or not, the way you put the above *implies* that
you believe I do not have age on my side and/or I have damaged my
brain using drugs and/or alcohol. Remarks like that degrade you, not
me.

However it may sound to you, you are again sitting in judgement from
your self-appointed position. What right have you?

I note from your participation in another thread in this newsgroup
where the posters are questioning the mixing/recording abilities of
professionals like George Martin, Phil Spector, and John Lennon that
you do not ask the same question of them. I find that phony and
hypocritical of you, as you obviously cannot apply the same standards
in all instances.

It seems you deem certain areas to be worthy of judgment, but not
others. Please explain your haphazard applications of judgment.

I don't recall participating in any discussion on the above subject
where negative personal comments were made against me due to my having
a different opinion.

No negative personal comments were made against you. I made broad and
sweeping generalizations against certain types of people. Whether or
not you personally identify with those generalizations is not my
problems, but yours.


Many negative personal comments were implied in the way you dished out
damning criticism of those who hold opinions that are opposite to your
own in regard to LOVE, and as I hold an opposite opinion, you imply
criticism of me.



It doesn't take intelligence to take a harsh or critical view.
However, backing up your criticisms with reason rather than abuse -
now that takes intelligence.

You call it abuse, I call it clarity.


That's an interesting viewpoint. I doubt it wins many real debates.


Pop culture is not really what we're talking about here.

I view everything in context of a Big Picture. The LOVE project is
endemic of the vapid nature of pop culture.

Ok, so that's your opinion.


Mashing is a technique of which you obviously disapprove. Again, you
have damned it without any leeway for argument, and therefore you damn
those who apply it.

Correct. Your problem with that is what exactly?

The part where I said "without any leeway for argument". You seem to
have a polarised view of the world.


>Their views on their principles regarding this

have not been sought.

They have sufficiently explained themselves with a very shallow "I
like it and that's enough" rationale.

>And anyway, as has been said, they have not

destroyed the original music in any way - and I doubt they were in
need of the money.

History has proven that the more money people have, the more money
they want.

Another generalisation.


>I wonder what experience of life you have that has created these
inflexible standards in your mind.

Being judgmental, knowledgable, and self-assured are not signs of
inflexibility.

Not in themselves, no, but with you I have seen evidence of the three
characteristics you present but also the one I present too. They're
not incompatible.


Ok, so you're not the only one here to go about heaping abuse on
others. I don't think that excuses it, but never mind.

I know how you Brits have been conditioned and how your balls have
been literally cut off by recent libel laws. Luckily, as an American,
I don't have to worry about offending others, especially those
exhibiting poor taste or judgment.

We Brits understand that the increasing tendency to a sue me/sue you
culture has been imported from the USA. But aside from that, *how* do
you know about us Brits (anymore than I *know* about you Americans,
that is)? And check your dictionary for the meaning of "literally".


Why the anger?

Because docile and submissive people make me sick.

But who here is docile and submissive? Why is your anger displayed
here?


>Why do you not use civil words and platitudes?

Where I come from, I'm being very civil. I don't believe in offering
gratuitous platitudes.

I'm glad I don't come from where you come from.

>Do you

believe others have a right to their own judgment of quality and what
makes art?

They have, just as it is my right to attack that judgment.

Why can't you simply disagree? Why do you have to attack? Why so
aggressive?

>Do you believe art is something frozen in time?

This abomination I've attacked does not herald a renaissance in the
development of 21st century art. It's as fleeting and superficial as
painting moustaches on the Mona Lisa.

There you go again. You have declared it to be an "abomination",
therefore it is. Well, I'm sorry. I disagree. It is not an
"abomination", it is a new perspective.

>Is there

any hope left or is the world doomed to be destroyed by our careless
next generation? Who do you think you are? Who do you think I am?
Does any of this really matter

You need to find the answers to those questions on your own. I am not
your teacher.

No, you are not my teacher. I choose teachers who have something
positive to offer me. And when called upon to teach, though it is not
my profession, I try to pass on a positive message too. Very little
in this world, this civilisation stay still for long. If you resist
change, you will inevitably lose the fight in the end. Better to look
for ways of guiding the changes to positive outcomes - and accept that
not everything that you don't like is bad.
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