Re: Rubber Soul and Revolver: if you had to combine and edit the two albums down into one 14 song disc

fattuchus@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jan 22, 5:15 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

OK, I'm going to go with abe slaney's recommendation and spell out
exactly *who* I am talking about. See below.

Oh, the old "guilt by association" tactic!

Not really, RichL. I brought it up because it appeared to be the
theme between Sean and F.P. If you reread their discussion, you can
see they touched upon the "team" issue. I was merely continuing the
discussion.

I'll confess I haven't been here all that long, but it seems to me from
what I've seen that a majority of Parella's posts have been
Yoko-trashers. He/she doesn't post all that often, but when it happens
it's usually a doozy. Though I see lately that Ringo is now his/her
occasional target.

Come on, get real. I don't think you can point to more than one other
"regular" here who supported in any way the person you are referring
to.

Actually I can think of 3 right now. I suppose I can name them here,
but I fear that would just start more flames. I don't want to do
that. I would prefer to let the past be the past, but there are 2 in
particular who continue to support this troll.

I said one *other* regular. That's in addition to the person you call
the anti-semetic troll. I think most of us agree that he's gone way
beyond the bounds of decency on many occasions. No problem there.
Bessie's the other one.

BTW, I don't consider you part of the "anti YT team" at all. People
are entitled to their opinions; as I've said before, Sean has his
opinion, FP has his opinion. You have your point of view and I
respect it even when we disagree. You know that.

Thanks. But I think there are a number of other people who often get
lumped into the "pro-Yoko" category that feel basically the same way I
do.

I object to the incidents where posters make personal attacks on other
posters rather than addressing the content of the post.

Yes, and so do I. If there are occasions where I've gone that in the
past, I've regretted it (I don't think it' happened in RMB). But one
thing you have to realize is that many people don't behave on usenet the
same way that you and I do. I think for some people, the personal
reaction arises because they are upset with the way that you and some of
the others treat Yoko, and maybe they want you to see how it feels? I'm
not saying I think that's a reasonable approach, just that it's
understandable in a way.

I'm quite fond of Sean, but I thought his personal criticism directed
at FP was getting out of hand and unfair. That is why I brought up
the troll who had his account banned.

But you're comparing apples and oranges! I don't think Sean is in any
way comparable with the other guy. And your post, in a way, lumped
those who feel differently about the anti-Yoko stuff with him as well!

I, as a matter of fact, went out of my way to defend you and others
against him. You do remember that, don't you?

Absolutely. You were one of my heroes. There have been several others
too.

Thanks for confirming that (I hope Donna reads it).

So, unlike PR, you DO know who I am talking about, right? Perhaps you
can explain it to PR because he doesn't believe me.

Explain what, exactly? While I disagree with PR's approach, he's
exactly the type of poster I had in mind when I described above the
different reaction of people to the anti-Yoko posts. I think a lot of
us see hypocritical behavior. You don't like getting your feelings
hurt, but somehow you don't connect those feelings with, say, the
thought "What if Yoko read what I said? How would she feel?"

The fact of the matter is that, for the most part, there aren't
"teams". A number of us happen to be bothered by the few posters who
take every possible opportunity to rip into Yoko. And I happen to
think it's hypocritical to whine about the conduct of a few here yet
use the same sorts of tactics to regularly attack another person. To
you it's ok because she's famous, as if the regular rules and
customs of human interaction somehow don't apply.

From a moral viewpoint, you have an argument.

From a legal viewpoint, you are incorrect. The US Supreme Court and
other authorities higher than you and/or me have addressed this issue.

OK, now you're splitting hairs in my opinion. Just because something is
legal doesn't make it moral or right. What I'm talking about here has
nothing to do with legality. It's about consistency in treating each
other decently. That is, if you want to be treated decently, you treat
others decently as well. Whether they're here or not, or famous or not.

Criticizing a public figure is not a crime.

Never said it was. See above

Using the internet to harrass someone is a felony. There is a big
difference, RichL.

It depends on to what degree the harassment occurs. "*** you" is
harassment of a sort, but no one is ever going to prosecute anyone for
saying it over usenet. Calling someone a "baggy titted old bitch" is
harassment too. Again, no one's going to be prosecuted over it. It
doesn't make either of them right.

Google and different Internet Service Providers have certain "rules"
called Terms of Service which address vulgar language, threats,
harrassing behavior, etc. I don't know what this is based on . . . .
US law perhaps? Don't know.

Yes, but except for instances from the one person we've been talking
about, I can't think of anyone else involved in this discussion who has
gone to the degree that would constitute an actual violation of terms of
service, let alone a crime. This one instance is an exception
(possibly). But the vast majority of the behavior we're talking about
here doesn't fall within the scope of any laws or agreements; certainly
the initial exchange between Parella and Sean doesn't! It's really
irrelevant to the main point of the Yoko exchanges.

As for myself, I could point out every single post that violates my own
standards of conduct on usenet, but I'd use up all my waking hours doing
so. As I've told you before, it's much worse on some of the other
usenet groups. I *will* chime in when someone goes way over the
boundaries, both in RMB and elsewhere.


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