Re: McCartney Gets Vessels Unclogged

On Jan 14, 8:23 pm, poisoned rose <ones...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Emotional, emotional, emotional. It's as if I stole your Spider-Man
comic books or something.

You know, if I ever owned any that might even be funny.

"Many are too old to want to deal with the issues
facing America outside of their neighbourhood." And my response was
that plenty of Oscar-honored films have foreign settings (and deal
with accompanying issues).

'Outside of their neighbourhoods' means outside of Hollywood -- or what
most people call regular America. And in regards to films in other
countries, it's rarely political issues of the day: the crisis in
Bosnia, conflict in the Middle East, the effect of capitalism on
communist countries, environmental disasters... these are the stuff of
documentaries rather than most fiction films.

Though there ARE rare examples, such as the fiction film Hotel Rwanda.
But, as I said, that's a rarity amongst the offerings of the American
movie industry.

And you show no ability to keep the topic on the RESULTS of the
selection process, rather than on the selection process itself.

The results of the selection process aren't fantastic. You REALLY
don't like them, and I'm sure you'd be hard pressed to find someone
who thinks that the Grammy committee actually picks the right ones (or
even most of the right ones).

But I cannot say Oscars have it better when Oscars automatically
dismiss 90% of all films made -- and 100% of all non-studio features as
well -- before the selection process begins. The few films which make
it to the Oscar nomination consideration are films made SPECIFICALLY
to reach a certain level of artificial criteria set by a small number
of people, which is something music can NEVER do.

(Well, actually, music CAN do it if you're talking about singles;
albums require variety, and then the criteria gets pissed out the
window.)

A much better comparison to the Grammies might be the Billboard
awards, or the assorted MTV awards, which -- while still stuck in the
top 40 -- are intent on focusing on commercial success of the music
rather than any artistic merit.

Gee. Aiming for quality. How disgraceful.

Talk about buying the illusion fully....

"Quality" for Oscar-intended films means a set of criteria picked by a
relatively small group of people. Their criteria is arbitrary and does
nothing -- NOTHING -- but box the filmmakers into making films which,
for the most part, are only made to bring prestige to the studio
because they fail miserably financially.

But, OK, let's apply "quality" to music. Oh, wait, we can't: then
you'd be bitching and complaining that part of their criteria is
whether it appeals to the masses in some ways, and you're grossly anti-
top 40.

Your comment here isn't even relevant. If the issue is the overall
worthiness of the Grammies, the Beatles are not relevant to the
subject beyond the Grammies they won (or didn't win).

Hopefully this will be my last ever response to your trolling because
you don't seem to understand that parallels can be drawn between one
situation and another. Complaining that the Grammies are too top 40-
oriented, and complaining about how the mainstream means you're
gullible cannot be interpreted as anything other than you are anti-
mainstream.

Yet, here you are in a group established to discuss the values and
qualities of a very mainstream band, together and apart. It's a
visible conflict in which you have offered NO evidence of your
interest in the Beatles beyond quick and negative value judgments
("Not worth my time").

The Beatles are extremely relevant to the discussion of the Grammies
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE GOT ON TO THIS TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE! Paul
McCartney is nominated for Grammies once more, but the album isn't
anywhere near the quality of his past two pop albums which also got
nominated.

YOU then claimed the Oscars are at least picking quality, which means
they are better than the Grammies. And I completely disagree because
the Oscars automatically dismiss the majority of films because of
artificial criteria established by their little club, a point you
ignore.

No. There are plenty of older artists who are not compromised. Dylan
and Neil Young may be the best examples from the pop/rock world.
Just a week or so ago, I heard Ornette Coleman's 2006 album "Sound
Grammar." Wow. Amazing to hear a seventysomething doing *that*.

Go into the Dylan and Neil Young groups and post that. I'm quite
positive you'll find people with plenty of evidence that both Dylan
and Young are compromised compared to their earlier material,
especially Dylan who hasn't been writing lyrics anywhere close to the
regularity of the quality of his most prolific period.

Seriously: this is all a matter of OPINION. And, I hate to point to
this out YET AGAIN: in this forum, the people here believe that the
Beatles' solo recordings are not compromised to the point of automatic
dismissal.

We come here because we actually like the music, mainstream as it is;
but you know that because that where you get the fuel for trolling,
don't you?
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