Re: New York Times article about Sam Havadtoy

On Jul 8, 10:12 am, fattuc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

The woman was a selfish, self centered, controlling, manipulative,
domineering egotist. She got her claws into a weak, needy man, and
used him for all she could.

John made some mistakes . . . he was not a perfect husband. But he
loved her. He was devoted. He sacrificed himself and his career for
her. And what was his reward?


Now seems as good a time as any to chime in with this. At my local
library, I recently read through the John Green book (the Dakota tarot
card reader /advisor on retainer). This book is often grouped with
those by Seaman and Pang and either lauded or discredited accordingly.
Green makes one glaring error in that he has Sean accompanying John on
the boat to Bermuda, however, he's rumored to have taped his
conversations with Ono/Lennon and that's why Ono didn't sue his ass.
(Or maybe she was just concerned that he'd get out his occult bag of
tricks ;-). )

So that's the background. What struck me about the book, was how
manipulative BOTH of them came off. Lennon expounds at length about
how good he was at manipulation. When John was depressed it was quite
easy to feel sorry for him, but when he started getting some of his
strength back with Double Fantasy, he also quite clearly got some of
his inner *** back. Add to this his own comments in interviews
about how the Beatles were the biggest bastards in the world, that you
have to be a *** to make it, Paul McCartney's comment that John
was a 'political animal' not above manipulating Epstein's crush on him
to his own benefit, and how he treated Cynthia during and after the
divorce.

I don't really essentially disagree with you that the evidence points
to Yoko having an manipulative *** egoist side and that Lennon
certainly 'got his' in that marriage no matter how fairy tale it
started off. And yeah, as is often the case with a dom wife, he did
slavishly devote himself to her.

What I'd like you to consider is that perhaps they had more in common
on this level than your love for Lennon will allow you to see. He no
longer had to be a huge *** during his time with her because he
had already, by his own admission, been the biggest *** in the
world, and was looking for something else. He had the luxury of being
indulgent with someone who had not yet had her rather large ego needs
sated - an ego that mirrored his own.

I'm not going to argue that she had the talent to equal his or to back
up her ego - I'm just saying, I don't see it all as "Poor John."


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