Re: Larry King in 8 minutes


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On Jun 28, 5:03 am, fattuc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jun 27, 3:37?pm, donz5 <d...@xxxxxxx> wrote:



On Jun 27, 4:28 pm, fattuc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Jun 27, 3:14?pm, donz5 <d...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 27, 4:06 pm, fattuc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

The Hopkins biography suggests it was hogwash. IMO, since she
speaks
English and lived in NYC for years, she would have had to at
least
heard of the Beatles, even if she wasn't a fan.

Lots of folks who lived in NYC and spoke English didn't hear of the
Beatles, because the group wasn't a part of their world.

Unless anyone can provide credible evidence that she _had_ heard of
the group, her word, as consistent as its been for close to four
decades, stands.

I guess I will ask you the same question I have asked some
others . . . what do you consider credible evidence? For example, if
Tony Bramwell and/or McCartney say something which disagrees with
Yoko, does that count?

Are we talking 1964, 1965, or pre-Indica Gallery (i.e., November)
1966? Does Tony Bramwell state as a fact that Yoko knew who the
Beatles were when John visited the Indica Gallery, or is he expressing
his opinion that she lied? And if he is stating as a fact, what
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Hello, donz. I checked out copies of the books Many Years from Now
(by Barry Miles and Paul McC) and Tony Bramwell's book Magical Mystery
Tours. I will discuss Many Years from Now first.

Chapter 6 of the book is devoted to "avant-garde London." It is a
whole (boring) chapter on Paul's involvement with the art scene which
began as early as 1964 or 1965. According to this chapter, while Paul
was living at Wimpole Street, he got to know Jane and Peter Asher's
circle of friends (Peter, as you know, was in Peter and Gordon). One
person Paul befriended was John Dunbar "who was to be his initial
conduit to what can loosely be described as the London avant-garde
scene." (page 211)

According to pages 212 and 213, it seems Paul had met Dunbar as early
as March 1964 (or perhaps earlier)

Starting at page 223, Barry Miles (the book's author) explains that
in or before September 1965, John Dunbar, Peter Asher and Barry Miles
decided to open an avant-garde art gallery and bookshop, the Indica.

At page 232 Miles writes that he first met Paul in August 1965.

At page 232 Miles quotes part of the programme for Paul's 1989 World
Tour which states that Paul helped start the Indica Bookshop and
Gallery where John met Yoko.

At page 224 Miles writes that McCartney was the first customer
(although the physical store was not yet opened) At page 227 Miles
describes how Paul donoted his time and physical labor to help get the
shop opened. Paul helped draw the flyers to announce the opening of
the shop.

At pages 227-228 Miles writes that just before the shop opened, Paul
presented a surprise gift to the owners of Indica: he apparently
distributed some flyers to 16 Magazine in the US which ran a photo of
it, and the shop was "inundated with letters from American Beatles
fans wanting sheets mailed to them. . . ."

The first "proper exhibition" at the gallery opened June 1966. page.
228. One of the artists at this show won the prize for painting at
the Venice Biennale. Word quickly spread about the gallery and people
began to show up at the gallery to see the art and buy books.

At page 229, Miles writes that in March 1966, Paul brought Lennon to
the gallery/book store where John spoke with Miles and eventually
began reading Timothy Leary's book The Psychedelic Experience (which
influenced Tomorrow Never Knows)

At page 235, Miles writes that during this period, of all the modern
composers that Paul encountered, the one who influenced him most was
John Cage. At page 234 Miles gives a brief description of Paul
attending musical "happenings" as early as Feb. 1966.

In September 1966 the Indica Bookshop moved out of the Gallery.

All informative, but not germane to my question of whether Bramwell
knows as a fact that Yoko knew who the Beatles were pre John's visit
to Indica Gallery.


In Chapter 7 of the book (the Chapter is called Making the Albums) at
page 272 Barry Miles writes about John and Paul composing the song
"The Word." Miles writes, "When Yoko Ono first arrived in Britain,
before she met John, she turned up at Paul's house asking for
manuscripts to give to John Cage for his fiftieth birthday. Cage
collected musical scores. Paul told her that he always kept his
original manuscripts,, but not long afterwards, she asked John to give
her one and he chose . . . . 'The Word' as a birthday gift. It is
reproduced in John Cage's Notations, a selection of scores had had
been collecting for the Foundation of Contemporary Performance
Arts. . . . ."

Here's a puzzler: John Cage was born September 5, 1912. He would have
turned 50 on September 5, 1962.

See the problem here?


Cage did collect scores and he did have something by Lennon, though the
question of when Lennon gave him one is open.

From The Roaring Silence, a Cage biography:

"Notations was also published, a selection of the scores he had been
collecting for a number of years for the Foundation of Contemporary
Performance Arts to show the diversity of notation in contemporary music.
Cage collaborated on the publication with Alison Knowles. The collection
included manuscripts by Stravinsky, Babbit, Feldman and Milhaud, and, thanks
to the intercession of Yoko Ono, John Lennon."


It looks like Notations was published in 69, but a couple of pages later, it
says "When Lennon first came to the United States he sent a bunch of roses
to Cage at Ono's behest, and contributed, as mentioned earlier, a page of
song material to the Notations collection." When would that have been?


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