Re: Interview With May Pang , August 1, 2005

>>tom.rach@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (TAR)
>>Jeff Kvdute wrote:
>>I didn't want to quote so much text, cause it's
>>ALOT of work with webtv. Anyway, TAR
>>(Donna) wrote:
>>I know you're trying to help, Jeff. I know that
>>you care and that you're making an honest
>>effort to give good advice.
>>Yes I am, Donna.
>>But if you want complete honesty from me, I
>>have to say that after reading how you react
>>to certain posters, I have often said to
>>myself, "What a wuss." Sorry, but that's the
>>way I see it, and others may see it that way,
>>too.
>>That's fine. Thanks for your honesty.
>>It's like you're kissing *** for the sake of
>>peace.
>>Then you don't understand where I'm coming
>>from:
>>I believe in staying on topic...no matter what
>>we discuss here. Staying on topic and giving
>>facts
>>and opinions is what this place should be
>>about. It's not supposed to be about
>>personal attacks, and people who do
>>that...are "Weak people". They are
>>frustrated....and do it, cause
>>they have no self confidence, and feel like
>>their opinions/Facts...are otherwize
>>worthless.
>>I agree. Our resident forger doesn't think that
>>most of us can see through all of this.

Since you believe this to be true, why do you bother to keep mentioning
him? It doesn't make you seem confident. He wants to be the center of
attention,and you're giving him exactly what he wants. He loves every
minute of it.

>>Why should you want to give them your
>>time?
>>People like Charlie and me, and others who
>>have been forged, have to reveal the truth,
>>don't they?

I've been forged before, and I ignore it. If you think I'm wrong..then
why are you in the position you are in...and why am I not? Somebody can
forge me all they want. If someone is willing to believe that a post was
written by me..when it wasn't, then that's "their"
problem...not mine. Forgers are looking for people that are
sensitive...so...they picked the
both of you and others.

>>Are you suggesting that we not explain that
>>these words are not ours?

I wouldn't do it. I wish somebody would forge me, so I can prove to
you..that I don't care.
Why? Cause I come here only for some brief
discussion, and I can leave when I want. Ever heard the saying, "Nobody
can make you feel inferior without your permission?"

>>If everybody here could automatically see
>>full headers, it wouldn't be necessary to do
>>this as often.

Yes, but some people are just replying to "any" posts. They may not be
worried who really wrote the posts.

>>Or even if others would jump in to say that it
>>was an obvious forgery, it would be helpful.

People jump in all the time and say that. What if everyone who posts
here...writes "Forge"
on every post they make? All you would be reading is that. Has writing
"Forge" ever helped you? The answer is no.

>>But new posters come on board all the time,
>>and others don't bother to look to see who is
>>saying what.

If they don't bother to look to see who is saying what, then they really
don't care who wrote what. All they are doing...is responding to a post,
and that's all that matters to them.

>>Forgers know that we probably wouldn't give
>>them our time otherwise.

Hey, you know, everyone has something to say..if they think hard enough.
Some don't care
to. They prefer the company of someone they can hassle, but why should
that be you?

>>That's why they do it. It's sad for them,

People would respond to their posts..regardless of whether they were
forging or not.

>>People like this are pretty screwed up.

I agree.

>>They're like kids who have tantrums in public
>>just to get attention.

Right, but they aren't your children. Let the person who wants to have a
tantrum.. do so.
If you barely respond to what they say, it pisses them off..cause they
"knocked themselves out"
to write a half page of bull***..for nothing. They
"WANT" you to answer every single line of what
they wrote.

>>To them, negative attention is better than
>>none.

Right.

>>The other thing is...these people are very
>>depressed...and they want to bring anyone
>>that they can..down to their Level. These
>>people "Bait" others into arguments. Why
>>swallow it, and get defensive? They "WANT"
>>you or me..or whoever to get defensive.
>>When you get defensive..then they've won,
>>and they got exactly what they wanted, and
>>then the conversation becomes about them.
>>Are you THAT interested..in letting other
>>people...control your discussion?
>>Do you think they've won when they've been
>>exposed?

Yes, I do believe they have won, when exposed. Why would they keep doing
it, otherwise? Cause they love the attention you just gave them, so they
continue on...having their fun.

>>I think they're idiots, and I know that others
>>think that they're idiots.

Sure, others know they are idiots..so there is no need to keep defending
yourself. (s)

>>They are displaying their childishness, their
>>insecurities, and weirdness in a very public
>>way.

Right....but you should just consider that they are words across a page.

>>Not everybody is willing to do that.
>>I realize that, but when I see anyone go on
>>the defensive...and get baited into this crap,
>>I lose
>>complete respect for them...if it goes on day
>>after day. I see them as a sucker for
>>punishment. Who cares what anyone thinks
>>in this place...when no one knows the real
>>you?
>>Again, it sounds to me as if you're suggesting
>>that we should just ignore it when someone
>>is falsely representing us.

I already said that, Donna. I understand your anger...but when you keep
repeating yourself, saying they are forging..over and over
again...you're just making the forgers feel more powerful.

>>You may lose respect for those who stand
>>up for themselves, but I tend to lose respect
>>for people who turn a deaf ear and act like
>>doormats.

I don't lose respect..for a person who is standing up for
themselves...when they stay on
topic..of what the discussion is about.

Hey, you know I came from a family..who argued constantly, since I was a
kid. At age
44 in 2000, I moved out of state..to where I am at now. I feel no
remorse....and that's why
I take the position that I do here. I will NOT waste MY time...with
posters here..that do the same crap. Now, if that makes me look like I'm
turning a deaf ear..so be it. I finally found some
peace in my life, and I'm going to keep it.


>>Should my opinion matter? Hell no, but you
>>wanted to discuss this.
>>I'm replied to your post about this, not the
>>other way around.

Yes I know. That's why I responded to this here post.

<g>

Jeff

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