Re: The Drunken Failures play "Here Comes the Sun" ....................!

On 17 Aug 2005 15:44:31 -0700, gofab.com <tplqqq@xxxxxxx> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:21:11 GMT, in article
><43007e49.6927242@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, paramucho stated:
>
>>Everyone's memories of past events is individual.
>
>That's one of those ridiculously "reductio ad absurdum" comments like "all
>religions have extremists." Sure everyone's memories are individual, but facts
>is facts.

>>You have no reason
>>to recall how Webby and I parted, but, understandably, I do -- he'd
>>been making pretty scurrilous attacks on me and we weren't on the best
>>of terms.
>
>You can't seriously compare Webby, even at his worst, with the Ubertroll. I
>guess you're just getting the obligatory bull*** out of the way, right? :o)

The comment is made within the context of my opening statement: I'm
dealing with *my* memories and *my* impressions. I tend to read and
remember my exchanges with other posters. I don't follow, and even
less remember, the detail of every exhange between other posters.
Webby was repeating Marek's most scurrilous charges regarding myself:
I can take that with less offence from a Marek than I can from a mate.

>>However, I'm sure we would have gotten over it in time, as
>>we probably did on occasions before that. Unfortunately, fate
>>intervened with that process as fate is wont to do.
>>
>>He was on ridiculously bad terms with many people at the time
>>including a large chunks of AMPF.
>
>Of course, you know the reason for this, right?

*Now* I have a better idea, but I don't think that hindsight is
relevant to what was happening at the time.

>>I don't know if it was the first
>>time, but my guess is that they would have gotten over it in time.
>>Webby like reconcilation -- a bit too much for my liking at times --
>
>That's a sideways reference to his rapproachment with Francie after she
>allegedly cheated him -- and you do realize that he was literally chased into
>her opportunistic arms by the Ubertroll's constant attacks? Jeez, Ian, you're a
>smart guy -- surely you get that.

No and maybe.

It wasn't a reference to Francie (if anyone at all, I would have
thought of Marek). What I was referring to was the Apology Ceremony
that used to go on in this place from time to time where people would
go through some kind of ritual cleansing of the soul which I didn't
understand at all. It wasn't part of my culture, but I do recall being
treated as somehow inhuman for not joining in the mushy scrum.

>>but perhaps for him it was a part of a life that went from highs to
>>lows and back again. Ultimately, I think he would have wanted
>>reconciliation with all of them and Nick as well.
>
>That's a stretch.

Not going on past behaviour. Webby was being Webby and Nick was being
Nick.

>>You can label that
>>my "paragraph of bull***" if you want, but reflects what I got to
>>know about John over the years.
>
>Whatever terms you were on with him, I never saw you try to reduce him to dust.
>In stark contrast to others here who are now trying to undo the past.

No-one was trying to "reduce him to dust" in the Biblical sense. It
was a game that had long been out of control, with all of us
contributing. You, me, John, Nick, Francie, Rags -- we all put the
hothouse context together.

>I do have to congratulate you though -- that wasn't as full of bull*** as I
>expected it to be, and not nearly as much as the false apologias that preceded
>it.

My comments would have been more substantial if I'd had the
expectation that you'd continue the discussion. We often get to this
kind of point only to have you walk away.

Let's not falsify the past by elevating John to a saint's pedestal. We
all play a pretty tough game out here from time to time, each of us
with our own chosen plumage (== arsenal), that, over the years we
develop into an internet persona -- a caricature in the sense that
what we project is often an overblown exaggeration of a few parts of
our full personas.

In one sense, I'm a bit ashamed of the internet persona I've evolved
for myself because it's unduly defensive. There are times when I want
to say "*** off" and I don't. Instead, over the years I've settled on
a more reserved presentation. It's probably the only defense I could
find for Marek. The girls were right when they said I was "passive
aggressive".

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