Re: Joke for today

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:44:04 -0500, A to Z wrote:

"Craig" <CBobchin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:09:54 -0500, A to Z wrote:

"Craig" <CBobchin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:57:31 -0500, A to Z wrote:

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now, what if Audrey was born with a GPA of minus 1, and had to work two
jobs
to pay for her tutition, all while busting her *** to get her GPA up
to
2.0. Meanwhile, the daughter with the 4.0 was left that GPA by her
grandfather, and has never worked a day in her life...

If only it was that easy......

So what. Her family worked for it and left it for her. Does that mean
she
is obligated to give it to someone else?

that would be like me going up to Bruce's kids after he dies and saying
your dad left you all this money and I was born poor let me have some.

Sorry that does not compute.

depends on how your computer is wired, I guess

You've got to be kidding me. You really think that someone who makes (or
inherits) a lot of money has an obligation to give it to those that don't
have that much money?

Morally? Yes I do.


I believe in charity, but give me a break. Sounds like you would be right
at home in Soviet Russia.

that makes sense - we disagree so you insult me. Have I done so to you?

Sorry I don't mean to insult you.



To continue with your example what if Audrey was born into a middle class
family and became so enamored of the party life she put all her money up
her nose and in her veins. Do you really think that the other girl is
obligated to give Audrey money?

My point was that your simplistic unrealistic example merely scratched the
surface of the issue. It was part of the Reagan welfare-queen myth, that our
tax dollars go to lazy, self-indulgent party animals who would rather drink
vodka then take care of our children, It's a myth, it's insulting, and it's
polarizing. I gave you the other side of the stereotype - the lazy rich
person living off of grand daddy, sipping mimosas while the working class
sweats to go to community college while working two jobs. The truth is, most
people work hard. Some people can give more help, some people need more
help. Portraying those who need help as being immoral partiers makes it
easier to stomach not helping them, but it is misleading.

I never bought into the reagan Welfare-Queen Myth. Living in So. Cal I see
a lot of our tax dollars go to illegal immigrants and the children thereof.

For me, If someone comes from a rich family annd sits at home sipping
mimosas while I go to work, fine. I have no problem with that and I don't
begrudge them their lifestyle.

I agree that most people work hard, and that some do need a hand now and
then. But Whewn I see whole families living off welfare for several
generations, well I have to draw the line at that. And yes it happens quite
frequently.


I went to a city college. I got financial aid while doing so. I enjoy police
protection. I enjoy emergency services protection. I am protected by a
military (a huge chunk of the discretionary budget) that is being misused
now, but does protect our freedom - and a pretty good standard of living. My
daughter goes to a public school. I travel on good roads. My food is
inspected and protected by federal and state agencies. I use federal and
state lands for recreation. I enjoy the use of public libraries. My property
and wellbeing is protected by system of justice, administered by federal and
state courts. I work for a company that pays me a good wage, and does so
because it too receives many of the same services that I described, allowing
it to remain in business and to profit. I am served, and I pay taxes for
those services - for those that I use now, for those that I used in the
past, when I could not pay taxes, and for those that I may need to in the
future. To do any less would be unfair.

No disagreement there. Although with the way the FDA and dept. of Ag. seem
to have been going recently....


And if some of my tax dollars go to help someone else get decent food, or
live in a slightly better (or any) house, or get a better education, then
yes, I am very happy to do so.

I have no problem with helping someone for a set period of time, but they
have to do do some of the work themselves.

Years ago, when I got laid off from my job when Orange cty went bankrupt, I
could not afford child support. My ex wife had to go on welfare/food
stamps. When I got back on my feet I had to pay it back to the state.

Did I have a problem doing so? No. I felt it was only fair.

I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I'm a firm beliver in smaller
govt. (much smaller than it is today). I'm also a firm believer in personal
responsibility and accountability. I think the govt. should get out of our
lives and just manage the basics of the country (Infrastructure, Defense,
Food/drugs safety.) I don't think the govt. should be in the healthcare
business, nor do I think they should be supporting illegal immigrants.



Do you give away a large percentage of your money to those less fortunate?
If so I commend you.

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