Re: Obama Getting CRUSHED

Willy Eyenine wrote:
"Evolution" <myname@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:o4CdnbMd882FBDHanZ2dnUVZ_remnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
an inconvenient Ruth wrote:
On Feb 7, 10:43 pm, angelagrace <cryinthe...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

It's not sexist to simply want to see those representing you actually
look like you, one damn time before you die. A lot of people are
kidding themselves about another viable female candidate coming along
again in their natural lives. As Robin Morgan said, "I'm not voting
for her because she's a woman, I'm voting for her because I'm a
woman." It'd be great if all those white guys represented all of us,
but they've had their chance (forever) and simply can't or won't.
oh, but there are all those republican women...some of whom are even
Black and Female. I wouldn't vote for Condi Rice if she were running
for anything for all the something in somewhere ( I couldn't think of
anything clever).
Nor would I or Angela. But given that there is little difference between Obama and Hillary's positions on the issues, why not take this historical opportunity which may not come again in our lifetimes? Men of non-white races will run next election too. There aren't that many qualified women in positions high enough to have the experience, who are insane enough to run...

If you're breaking it down to entitlement, then what makes a white woman more entitled to this
office than a black male? Of the two groups...white women and black males...I'd say that
black males have probably had a rougher go at it these past few centuries...

Of course, this is a discussion that verges on the absurd.....I hope you realize that
(but, at this point, am doubting that you do).

Yes, it does. And you can't win by belittling others' experiences. But suffice it to say that black women have it the worst, not because they're black, but because they're poor women. Women have always carried the additional burden of caring for the children, as single moms. They don't have time to worry about racial prejudice which might exist. They have to worry about being raped (a woman is raped every 6 seconds), beaten and taking care of the kids whose fathers are deadbeats. So forgive me if I don't feel sorry for black men. Women have it much harder. Black men still make more money than white women. While those who live in ghettos may face racial violence, educated black men in the corporate world rarely face prejudice. They don't have a glass ceiling as women do.

But it isn't about entitlement. It's about the fact that gender divides us more than race does; race is only skin deep, but gender is biological. The fact that someone on this board will be taken to task for saying something racist, while sexist comments go unnoticed and unremarked on (except by me and Angela), shows that we have come a lot further in addressing racism than we have sexism. It's mostly invisible, and of course men don't notice it as readily as racial prejudice, because they aren't taking the brunt of it, and it is very hidden... and it doesn't affect them.

And I don't think skin color is a reason to "reward" any candidate for president. It is truly irrelevant or should be as a factor in this race. But look at the gender gap; it is a much more significant factor in this race. Gender is far more deeply rooted in people's prejudices and the cultural war, and even surfacing as a simple lack of respect for the female candidate, something we all face in the office and which is very familiar to us.

I'm just suggesting that given that both have strengths and weaknesses, and that enough men ARE voting their gender to create a huge gender gap, why shouldn't women level the playing field? Of men, I ask only that they look very carefully at Obama and what they are getting, instead of just voting against Hillary. Like her or not, the process deserves that we not fall for the alternative just because he's inspiring or we want change for change's sake. Obama should be vetted, and it concerns me that this process of front-loading the primaries has led us into a situation where, in our haste to find an anti-Hillary, we're choosing an inexperienced small fish for an awful big pond for the wrong reasons. Let him grow first; then he will dazzle. If you feed him to the wolves (republican attack machine) now, we may never see what he's capable of.

Neither is going to win enough delegates to win the nomination. It makes more sense to vote for Hillary and have Obama as the VP; it will give him time to gain that experience which seems to be the only thing lacking to make him a great leader. This mess we're in is much to big to leave to a one-term senator who hasn't managed to distinguish himself during that one term.

Laurie





If she weren't qualified or if she weren't a democrat, there is no way in hell I'd vote for her.

Laurie


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