Re: Depression (NBC)

matt.orel@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jan 28, 5:10 pm, Evolution <myn...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Did your children have an underdeveloped palate or need braces or have
undescended teeth? White mottling? Broken bones?

There's a point, Laurie, where you do well to save yourself by writing
less. When you start giving off the appearance of attributing
children's needs for braces or broken bones to fluoridation, you give
off the impression of having departed from reality.

Fluoride when ingested, creates brittle bones, and dental fluorosis is only the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/bone/fracture/strength.html


"Fracture risk and bone strength have been studied in animal models. The weight of evidence indicates that, although fluoride might increase bone volume, there is less strength per unit volume."
SOURCE: National Research Council. (2006). Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. p5.

"[O]ne cannot help but be alarmed by the negative effects of fluoride on bone strength consistently demonstrated in animal models."
SOURCE: Turner CH. (1996). Fluoride and the FDA: a curious case. (letter) Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 11(9):1369-71.

"Several animal studies on fluoride’s effect on bone biomechanical competence have been performed... [A]n overwhelming majority of the investigations mentioned found no effect or a negative effect of fluoride on bone strength..."
SOURCE: Sogaard CH, et al. (1995). Effects of fluoride on rat vertebral body biomechanical competence and bone mass. Bone 16: 163-9.

"While proponents of water fluoridation dismiss dental fluorosis as being simply a "cosmetic effect," recent research indicates that the rate of bone fracture among children with fluorosis (even in the mild forms) is higher than the bone fracture rates among children with no fluorosis."

The National Academy of Sciences, has a report on fluoride:
http://fluoridealert.org/health/epa/nrc/index.html
While the report must be purchased, there are excerpts and reviews at the above link.

I can't seem to find the article I saw which related problems with the palate and descending teeth. Both my nieces had this problem, and had to wear plates to open up their palates. If not, there isn't enough room for all the teeth, hence the need for braces. They both were given fluoride supplements to ingest by their mother. If we put this in the anecdotal category (because I'm tired of looking for the article which linked the two), I'm just wondering if Ruth's daughters had this problem like my nieces did. It seems to be a common problem amongst children who have been given fluoride to ingest.



" According to the current consensus view of the dental research community, fluoride's primary - if
not sole - benefit to teeth comes from topical application to the surfaces of teeth (while in the mouth),
and not from ingestion.

And yet the American Dental Association, which presumably includes the
US-based dental research community, has the following position
statement: "The American Dental Association unreservedly endorses the
fluoridation of community water supplies as safe, effective and
necessary in preventing tooth decay. This support has been the
Association's position since policy was first adopted in 1950."

I googled "dental research community on fluoridation of water," a
phrase that I'd expect to be reasonably neutral wrt results. I
immediately found a boatload of links to various research efforts on
the topic; the entire first page, including several state studies, a
report from the Surgeon General, the CDC and others all disagree with
your "consensus" view; this leads me to believe that your consensus is
no consensus at all, but just another position overstatement.

Did you read the article on the history of the ADA's involvement with fluoridation? They were involved in this campaign to fluoridate our water, and they are NOT going to admit they were wrong all these years. Can you imagine the lawsuits? It's like the tobacco companies denying that cigarettes cause cancer. Just look at the evidence. It's clear.

I'm curious if the ADA's statements include any evidence that fluoridation is beneficial, or is it just "opinion"?

EPA employees, who have seen all the evidence and have seen the coverup, have stated their concerns. And most countries who had fluoridation programs have abandoned them based on the evidence of harm and NO evidence that it helps prevent cavities, given good hygiene.


I don't want to trivialize the information you're trying to bring to
this board. But really, you do yourself -- and your position -- no
favors at all by continually overstating and misstating the case.

I haven't overstated anything. In fact, I've left things out, like the links between fluoride and down's syndrome, links to early puberty, how it can leach aluminum and contribute to alzheimer's, how it leaches lead from pipes and that lead is higher in children in fluoridated areas, and on and on. It's nasty stuff. I suggest that if you're concerned, you all read every article on fluoridealert.org...

Laurie


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Relevant Pages

  • Study Links Fluoride to Bone Cancer in Men
    ... Boys who drink fluoridated water have an increased risk of a deadly ... bone cancer, a new study suggests. ... Bassin and colleagues' major finding: Boys who grew up in communities ... that added at least moderate levels of fluoride to their water got bone ...
    (sci.med.nutrition)
  • Re: is there a difference between distilled water and a reverse osmosis filtered water?
    ... Fluoride in tap water can cause bone cancer in boys, ... About 170 million Americans live in areas with fluoridated water. ...
    (sci.med.nutrition)
  • Re: Chewing and Swallowing Green Tea Leaves
    ... Paget's disease and other benign bone lesions ... fluoride = loss of teeth, ... excess fluoride will do some damage in child's teeth impairing enamel ... enamel fluorosis in teeth during their development before eruption ...
    (rec.food.drink.tea)
  • Re: Subperiosteal implants
    ... >stronger...my thought was that fluoride release is good for teeth only. ... Well fluor-apatite is fluor-apatite whether in teeth or bone. ...
    (sci.med.dentistry)
  • Re: fluorosis (how much fluoride?)
    ... the Adequate Intake of Fluoride is defined by the ... > Moderate fluorosis as defined by the American Dental Association ... there is anything wrong with the bone. ... damage to her bones from excessive fluoride intake. ...
    (sci.med.dentistry)