Re: Resolved: Mike Huckabee is a pretty cool guy

gumboman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:31:41 -0500, Dan <Dan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Sorry, but in my opinion any grown adult who still believes in something as silly as Adam and Eve and the magical talking snake does not have the common sense or maturity to be President.


LMAO

Hey Dan - riddle me this.

If the human species started in Africa

and

If Africa is primarily a continent of black people

and

If Adam and Eve were the first humans

Then how can Adam and Eve be white in all the books?


JH

Note: the following is my opinion...

The creation myth of Adam and Eve came from white people (brown, actually); of course they're going to be white. This creation myth isn't about the birth of humanity; it is about the birth of the hierarchical system.

Humans lived peaceably in tribes for hundreds of thousands of years, and lived sustainably in nature, without hierarchy. Food gathering took a few hours per day, and they enjoyed life, shared everything, no possessions. Life was sometimes hard, but there was no misery as we know it today.

The 'agricultural revolution' started in the fertile crescent, where one tribe decided to get greedy and found that if they worked hard all day long at raising crops, they could end up with a surplus, which they could trade for goods. These goods could be traded for power in times of lack of food due to natural conditions (and due to them burning down the forests); they could take starving neighboring tribes as slaves, feed them and make them work in their fields. The concept of accumulating wealth and power was born. This was not all bad, because along with the hierarchical system it created, were several benefits; division of labor, crafts, art and music flourished, etc. The hierarchical system also brought ills never before seen in human history, such as some humans having power over others, slaves and kings, greed, crime, depression, murder and modern war.

Another unexpected result of this new human living system was that humans no longer lived sustainably in their environment. THEY decided which animals lived or died, and which plants would grow on the land, based on what humans ate or would bring them wealth. They began having more children to help in the fields and population grew. In a sense, they decided what was good and what was evil. Pigs ate grain that humans wanted, so they were evil. The forest didn't bring them wealth, so it was evil and was burned and replaced with crops, which were good.

So the story of Adam and Eve, ironically, was created by the early tribes which eventually became Jews and then Christians, because it is the story of how they abandoned tribal living and living sustainably (the Garden). When Eve ate the forbidden apple, she tasted knowledge of the gods; the knowledge of good and evil. This is an allegory referring to the peoples who first began to live unsustainably with nature and who began to decide good and evil, which plants and animals were good and evil. Humans were cast out of the "garden" where food was there to take, and began to live in harsher conditions, working hard for their living (except for those on top in the hierarchy). They began a drive to gain more and more land, necessitating assimilating other tribes and their lands. Previously, it had taken a few hours/day to feed their families, and now they were not only working to support their own families, but also putting in extra hours to pay for the profits of those higher in the hierarchy.

This was the true beginning of modern human history (and the meaning of Adam & Eve), where humans began to live unsustainably, and their population has grown uncontrollable to the point where we are now; stressing the resources of this earth, changing her climate, where most humans are poor and/or starving all over the planet and living in shacks, while a few others are living like kings. Like every other species throughout history who began to live unsustainably in their environment, the laws of nature dictate that humans WILL become extinct themselves. We are becoming rats in a cage.

As the evils of the hierarchical system began to mount, people needed new rules to govern society, new belief systems; relief for the misery of those at the bottom.

And so this hierarchical system, which created misery, has also given rise to the salvationist religions, in which people are taught that their misery in this life will be mitigated by their salvation and paradise in the next. Classic bait and switch, and used by those in power to subjugate their slaves. A quick look at the republican debate proves how critical supporting these salvationist religions is to gain power and keep it.

And ironically, some of those salvationist religions use as their creation myth, the story of the first tribe to taste the knowledge of good and evil, acknowledging that this act started humans down the path of hardship. It's too bad that these religions cannot also acknowledge that things AREN'T just going to be okay forever, and instead convince people that god will take care of us. They also actually encourage having more babies, to perpetuate poverty and the march down the path to overpopulation and extinction. They are like the pied piper, leading us peacefully off the cliffs to our destruction.

Laurie




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