Re: NBC - Sopranos, SSJOhnny??


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Young Kyle <gojord...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Was he not in Nancy Sinatra's band?

Yup. He was blowin' harp in Nancy's band...

We replayed the episode at high speed to find him, and that was the
only
thing I could see that made sense, not sure that was a credited
part........

terrible episode last night...Tony's gambling problem..is this all
there is for the final season?

I agree completely, it was all over the place. Carmella, who has been
absent almost completely since her great run 2 seasons ago, all of a
sudden is back and acting in weird ways that lack common sense. Her
eruption really made little sense to me.

You're wrong,. It DID make sense to you...

Seriously, I do see some sense to it. Think back to the last episode of a
either season 5 or season 6.1 - she and Tony have just reconsiled after a
year of fighting and hating each other, and they have done so especially
because Carmella wanted her "spec house". More importantly, she wanted
a) financial security separate from Tony's income (which could be taken
away
under RICO, which could stop from a bullet, etc.)
b) the opulent (though tacky) lifestyle that came from Tony

She wanted that, and she sold herself to the devil (getting back together
with Tony) to get it. You could see that conflict and slef-loathung as she
stood in the empty lot in that last episode of which ever season it was.

Now, Tony was threatening to take away her side of the bargain. She gave
up
her soul, her dignity, her autonomy, to get that spec house and the nest
egg
it gave her, and Tony is threatening to take it away. It's bad enough that
she sold herself, but to get nothing for it? She could not live with
that -
so she fought back.


The whole AJ storyline has been really stupid sense the bike incident.
Makes no sense. The character seem to be acting, well....out of
character.

obviously the weakest charcter in the show. Silvio is weak, Steve can't
act - but he provides some comic relief. AJ is just useless as a
character.

Why did she leave him? Is it because she doesn't want to go down the
Soprano
path (crime, death, etc.), and the proposal brought those feelings to a
head? Or is it because she wants MORE, and AJ telling her that in 2 or 3
years he'll be the day manager of a pizza parlor was not the lifestyle she
had in mind as the result of a marriage to a Soprano?

There was no explanation or logic behind almost every action taken last
night. Really a weak episode. The gambling scenes were poorly done and so
over the top and in your face that they completely lacked the subtlety
that
usually makes the show excellent.

agrees. It was very much a "let's throw some stuff together and creat an
issue" production.

And Vito's kid - that was (so far) a waste of celluloid. The only
plot-related development is that is shows that Phil Leotardo (who was
outraged at what Vito "did" to his family) actually cares little about
family, and more about the fact that Vito was gay.

Didn't the Hesh stuff all sort of just drop out of nowhere, too? It felt
like their was no back story at all to that...like it was a vehicle
rushed in as a tool for the wrapup of the series.


as a story, as a neatly put together package, you're right (and so too is
Bill, but don't tell I said so). Lots of these loose threads, unrelated
storylines, all over the place.

As a reflection of life, it's kind of appropriate. Most of don't have lives
that run in 44 minute-, or 8 episode-long arcs. Things come up, things go
away. And through it all, we're who we are. That's how I see some of this
with Tony - things come up, things go - and through it all, he's a nasty,
greedy, id-driven *** dedicated to his own gratification and
acquisition.... with a teeny weeny little conscience (and a bit of
self-consciousness as well) that pops up and causes him angst and doubt. We
see it with the Hesh episode - he took from Hesh, he had a problem giving
back to Hesh, he insults Hesh - and then Renat's death and Hesh's pain cause
his shame to come forth and he pays him off. And we see another fact of Tony
as well, in hesh's reaction. He loans his dear friend money - and then has
to wonder whether or not his dear friend is going to shoot him on his
doorstep...

So, as a slice of life, OK. As a story that should have some coherence, not
so good. Little Vito is probably a one shot-deal. Hesh is probably, as well.
The gambling, same thing. Even the Leotardo story concetrated on a sideline
story this time. Truth be told, I was rather bored in the middle.

Why did Renata (?) die anyway? Has she been on the show before, does she
have any history? My wife thinks Tony killed her (based on his look and
presence as his left Hesh's house at the end) but I saw nothing to indicate
anything at all about her demise.




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Kevin McClave

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