Re: NBC: My pet subject



Henry Porter wrote:

Evolution <myname@xxxxxxx> wrote in
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So you're saying that the plane hit, fireball cooled off enough to
allow people to stand at the gaping hole, and then the fire came back
to the hole?


Do you have a link to photographs showing people at the "gaping hole"?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1hole1.html


I honestly don't recall any photos showing people alive at the center impact site, though perhaps there are photos showing people looking out near some of the gashes the wings made.

I mostly recall photos showing people on floors above the impact, before the fire intensified. And many of those people, not being able to withstand the tremendous heat, became the jumpers.


The jet fuel burned off quickly. Other stuff burned as well, but
could not have given off enough heat to damage 40-something core


So why did people jump if the fire was not such a big deal?

I'm sure there were people who were trapped by fire.


In your scenario, those poor people could have just waited it out.

Not necessarily. But the firefighters did manage to put most of the fire out.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/audiotape.html
"Seven minutes before the collapse, battalion chief Palmer is heard to say "Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines." The widow of Chief Palmer was allowed to hear the tape before excerpts were released by the Times. She said:

"I didn't hear fear, I didn't hear panic. When the tape is made public to the world, people will hear that they all went about their jobs without fear, and selflessly.

"Palmer called for a pair of engine companies to fight the fires. The fact that veteran firefighters showed no sign of fear or panic, and had a coherent plan for fighting the fire, contradicts the official explanation of the collapses that the fires were so hot and extensive that they weakened the steel structure. "



pillars to the point where they lost 80% of their strength *all the
way down to the bottom*.


I don't know where you're coming up with this "all the way to the bottom" stuff. The concrete upper floors fell. They had to fall somewhere. No one except the straw men you're battling ever said the steel beams were weakened "all the way to the bottom."

I'm talking about the core pillars, not the beams. The vertical pillars which went from the basement to the top and supported the building.
Take a look here:
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html
This shows how the core was positioned.


The fire was almost out when the building collapsed. It was limited
to a few floors, and the pillars go all the way from the bottom to the
top.


What was going to hold up the weight of the top 20 or so floors of the building?

And when it fell, where was it going to go if not downward?

Again, imagine a bundle of vertical steel pillars, 40-some odd pillars, and explain to me how they could go straight down.

THe floors would have collapsed down, breaking the links between the floor beams and the core, but the core would have remained. Where would it go? The weight of the floors collapsing could not bring the core pillars down, because they were built to support the entire weight of the building.


And it takes, as has been said here, a temperature far greater than in
a normal fire. It takes pure oxygen to work with steel. Steel can


Ever needed to bend a steel part in the garage? You wouldn't need "pure oxygen" to do that. I have no idea where the hell you got that. (Perhaps you're conflating welding with simply heating steel to bend it.)

I think you're confused between steel alloys and steel used in buildings for support.

Read this:
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html#part2

To summarize, a gasoline fire can reach temperatures of up to 680F and steel begins to loose elasticity and get damaged at a temperature of 1022F.


I don't think it's funny when our government lies.


I personally think what the Bush crew did before and after 9/11 were awful enough. And there's no need to concoct ridiculous theories about remote control planes and planted explosives and steel that doesn't bend when heated and all the other bull***.

At times I think the real purpose of the conspiracy videos is to discredit people who have rational reasons to despise the Bush crew. All those opposed to Bush can thus be lumped in with those who believe in remote control airplanes striking buildings salted with explosives planted by invisible technicians.

You don't have to believe the suggested theories in order to realize that the facts of the buildings' collapse have been covered up.

Laurie


HP


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