Re: NBC: Immigration Rallies Draw Thousands Nationwide

I'm not sure how big of a factor this would be, but I''ve got a quick
question: if an illegal immigrant gives birth to a child while in this
country, isn't that child a citizen of the US by virtue of being born here?

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It depends on the school district.

Several districts in the Bay Area receive fixed funding from the state
regardless of attendance. In those cases, it does burden the resources
of the school.

Oh, yeah, I'm not going to discount what you're writing...and, in all
fairness, I really only painted the best case scenario.
But, when you have a child who is in school because his parents are in the
country illegally, there is a lot of potential for that child' presence to
encroach on a school district's General Fund.
For example, educators are often paid extra for having certification to
teach English Language Learners....and are also required to take a course
to get such certification. This is a result of California banning
straight-up Bilingual Classes.

What drove this vote was the anger of many Californians feeling as though
too much of what was going on in the classroom was being slanted and
geared to meet the needs of students whose English language skills were
lacking. Of course, there is nothing in the law that states that English
is the official language of the United States, let alone California. But,
I can understand a lot of parents feeling resentment over having their
English-speaking children subjected to the tedium/slower pace that comes
from Bilingual Classes. School districts would pack in students for whom
English was their native/first language into these classes. The given
rationale is that the English-speaking kids would acquire another language
(Spanish, Tagalog, Cantonese, Vietnamese, etc.); all the while, the
English Language Learners would have great English-speaking role-models (a
dodgy bet...I have ELL students who've mastered the English language a lot
better and with more proficiency than a lot of students for whom English
is their primary/first language)... and the ELL students would have peer
tutors amongst them Understandably, a lot of parents didn't go for this,
figuring that their children are in school to get the best education
possible...and that it is not their child's responsibility to be in a
classroom where the difficulty of the curriculum is compromised or taught
at a slower pace in order to help students who were English Language
Learners.

The reality was that school districts will pack a class to capacity...and
if there were five vacant spots in a Bilingual Class, then, what the
hell...put five native English speakers into those chairs in order to get
the best bang for the buck.

Well, as a result of doing away with Bilingual Education (as it had been),
school districts, in order to be compliant, now had to foot the bill for
educators to get this required certification needed to teach students who
were English Language Learners. This came at a cost of about $2,000 per
teacher to take this extensive training (this is where I met my wife...we
both were pretty much forced to take this class...but figure that at least
we got each other out of doing so). Then, teachers were now to be paid a
yearly stipend of a few hundred extra dollars for having this
certification and teaching ELL students. It wound up costing a helluva
lot more than the way the original Bilingual programs operated.

Still, I'm not so blind that I cannot understand where a parent who's
feeling resentment is coming from...Still, a proposition that was meant to
send a message about the feelings of Bilingual Education wound up costing
California a lot more money if they'd just left it alone. So, in this
instance, resentment (sometimes justifiable...sometimes racist-driven)
wound up being more costly.
And, in all fairness, a lot (if not the majority) of the students who were
receiving Bilingual services and placed in Bilingual classes were the
children of immigrant parents who were here legally (in other words, it
wasn't the result of massive numbers of illegal immigrants).

That said, there are definitely ways that a district will wind up paying
extra for a student whose parents are here illegally. If a student is
required to receive Special Education Services (and the severity of this
can range from receiving Resource Learning Services...to being placed in a
class with only 9-15 other students...to requiring that the student has a
full-time aide/assistant), then it can potentially cost a district extra
thousands of dollars a year. And, regardless of whether a student's
parents are legal or illegal, failure to comply with the Special Ed
program that's been spelled out for a student can result in fines that are
often climb to six-digit figures. As is, most Special Education programs
are grossly under-funded...and this is already a thorn in the side of a
lot of school district. This means that...in order to avoid heavy
fines/penalties for not being compliant...that Special Education programs
will often encroach on a district's general fund (money that already on a
tight budget but is ear-marked for general education classes...and pays
for supplies, the utility bill, wages, etc.). So, yeah, if you have
student in need of severe Special Education services...and that child is
here as a result of having parents who aren't even "legal"...for sure
that's going to be a drain on any school district.

With all due respect and trying to be as sensitive as possible, I cant
support the education of illegals even if it means keeping some of our
schools open. My wife is in the Education field and she too has a
different outlook on this than I do.

Curious....is her outlook along the lines of mine?
I do understand your outlook...and would never even entertain saying that
your points are not without some merit/validity.
But, being in the thick of it...and working daily with children, I think
my outlook is going to come from a different point of view,
one where immigration laws/policies are secondary to what my job is first
and foremost...
Just as we aren't inclined to shun or make a leper out of a student who
has one or both parents in jail, we aren't going to do the same to a
student whose parents are here illegally.
These children pay for the sins of their parents on a daily basis...you're
not going to get a lot of teachers compounding that payment.

This has been my experience...even after having been to
meetings/conventions with teachers from all over the country.....and often
you can't get any more different than a pack of teachers from California
and a pack of teachers from Texas. The two very different states usually
try to cancel out each other's way of voting when it comes to setting
policy at a national level (NEA).
Still, I've never come across a teacher from Texas who'd even consider
turning a child in for being at school (all the while knowing that child's
parents were not here legally). I've colleagues and friends who range
from being some of the staunchest conservatives to being
sickeningly/saccharine do-gooder liberal...and they differ in a lot of
ways. However, dropping a dime on a child because of the status of that
child's parents (something over which a child has absolutely no
control)...that's something that I've never seen advocated or endorsed by
any of my colleagues, regardless of how strict they may wish for the USA's
immigration policies to be. After all is said and done, I think there is
a general consensus that schools are something of a safe haven and a
sanctuary for children. You aren't going to meet many in my profession
who'd be willing to compromise that sort of setting, particularly if it
means that a child feels that he or she will at least get a fair break in
life for six hours in that child's day (particularly when the remaining 18
hours of that child's day are going to be a living hell). No, can't say
that I've ever come across a single teacher who'd ever dream of turning a
student in for violation of a country's immigration policy....



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