Re: Loud Pipes No Good, Huh?


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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:00:29 -0400, "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:40:53 -0700 (PDT), "Road Glidin' Don"
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an Oakland officer riding a toned-down cycle was struck by a
motorist
who said he hadn't heard the officer approaching."


"Oakland officials acknowledge that the noisy pipes, when tested,
averaged 93 decibels - well above the federal legal noise limit,
according to the Motorcycle Industry Council."

You don't hear most cars approaching, either. IMO bikes
should nto be accorded any special priviledges, such as breaking the
law, or irritating everyone around them, in the name of 'safety'.

At the same time, 'I didn't hear him' should not be a defense
for hitting one, any more than it is if you hit a car.


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Restrictive noise limits placed into law because they irritate people
opens
a can of worms that society is not ready to deal with, in my
estimation.

After all, folks riding skateboards irritate me to no end. They pull
stupid
stunts, injuring themselves and sometimes others. Perhaps we should
limit
this activity, what say?

Or, how about folks jumping out of perfectly good airplanes just for
kicks?
Monthly we hear of several incidents where people are severely injured
or
killed while participating in this activity. Should we put a stop to
it?

Other things that irritate me and with which the world would be a
better
place if they were legislated out of existence:

American football
Soccer
Snow skiing
Water skiing
Horseback riding
General aviation

I could go on and on. But I will spare everyone.

<SNIP>
The flaw in your argument is that most people are not irritated by
these
other
things you list and it is easy enough to avoid them. On the other
hand
it is a
fact that loud noise damages hearing and causes anxiety to most folks
with
normal hearing. When you are in the vicinity of a vehicle with loud
pipes it
"owns" your ears.

Ben


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Ben, you did notice that I said that my pipes were too loud and that I'm
looking for a way to quiet them down, didn't you?

Ed Cregger


Ed, does that change the fact you are against restrictions for those
who
are
not concerned about their noise pollution?

Ben

________


Actually, Ben, nowhere will you find that I made such a statement.

Ed, you said,

"Restrictive noise limits placed into law because they irritate people
opens a
can of worms that society is not ready to deal with, in my estimation."

In my estimation that is a vote against such restrictions.


However, I do tend to be quite Libertarian in my views, preferring less or
no legislation over matters of common sense. Ditto drugs, how many wives a
person chooses to have and many other things. I figure if someone is
inclined to take drugs, the sooner we are rid of them, the better. And who
am I to say how many wives someone should be permitted? Or husbands, for
that matter. Ditto the personally prefferred level of noise emitted by
their
personal vehicles.

OK, so this confirms you are against noise restriction limitations. Now,
while
there are some rules that should be abolished because they are purely
puritanical or religious moral things that do no harm to anyone else,
for
example, who consenting adults sleep with or their living arrangements,
on the
other hand, noise pollution infringes on everyone else's rights.


There are laws on the books presently that can be utilized to stifle
someone's noise making abilities at inappropriate times if used properly.
Our police have better things to do than worry if our machines are too
loud.

From my experience straight pipes within 100 feet of me is never
appropriate.


I am old enough to have seen our country change from when a responsible
child could take some aspirin to school without worry of being suspended
or
expelled. I have known of children taking their .22 rifle to school for
show
and tell without having a single problem with the officials. And without
creating a problem at school. I even remember when one could drive the
highways without insurance of any kind and be perfectly legal while doing
it. We have given up enough rights just because someone might be offended,
deferring to the government to make our choices for us.

Ed Cregger


Well, that was before some kids started to take rifles to school for
actual
demonstrations. :-(

Ben

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We had a young man who was the owner of a really loud and obnoxious Mustang
living a few houses a way, a few years back. My country in Georgia is too
small for car inspections (hurray), so he was "legal" until examined by a
state trooper and then officially failing the test. Which didn't happen.

He left for work at 3 AM every weekday morning. My neighbor was really fed
up with being rumbled out of bed by this young man, so he called the police
and filed a complaint. The very next weekend, the young man replaced the
loud exhaust with the stock exhaust. Problem solved. We didn't need a
specific law in this instance. In fact, in most instances, there are
existing laws to be employed when someone violates your peaceful state. Laws
can be used discriminately. I'd rather not give folks the stones to throw at
me, if you know what I mean.

You are interpreting my statements to mean that I am an anarchist. Not true.
I just like to be careful about how much freedom we give away. It can come
back to bite you in the ass from time to time.

Ed Cregger


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