Re: Kansas throws the book at Planned Parenthood

oasysco wrote:
On Oct 25, 8:19 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
oasysco wrote:
On Oct 24, 7:01 pm, Bob Mann <B...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:13:52 -0700, oasysco
<wilderkom...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Oct 24, 11:07 am, Bob Mann <B...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:02:31 -0700, oasysco
<wilderkom...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 24, 1:42 am, "P. Roehling" <nowayj...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"oasysco" <wilderkom...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote

The last thing Planned Parenthood is about is Planned
Parenthood - everybody knows that. It's a euphemism for
population control. When you're in the business of killing
for
profit, compliance with the law isn't foremost on your to-do
list.

Congratulations, Sir!

Because of your obviously Christian morals we're certain that
you'll be a great adoptive parent for the three thousand two
hundred and sixty three unwanted minority babies that are now
on
the way to your doorstep, C.O.D. We're sure that you'll want
to
take out a second, third, and forth mortgage on your home to
pay
for the best upbringings that money can buy!

Ya see, if ya wanna impose your religious beliefs on the rest
of
the world, you're gonna have to pay for the results, one way
or
another.

One last thought... I firmly believe that centuries down the
road,
legalized abortion will be seen as a great abomination by
future
socities just as we view Hitler's elimination of 12 million
souls, the Roman's practice of throwing people to the lions
for
entertainment, the ancient Mayans' practice of cutting out the
hearts from live victims for sacrifice, the decimation of
native
Americans first from disease and later via state-sponsored
elimination, indiscriminate bombings by religious bigots, and
other grotesque events with which we find our human history
laden.

I do not believe that abortion will be hailed as the single
great
break-through in human history, the one great ideal that the
entire human race can be proud of. Or maybe you disagree and
feel
that abortion is the one great accomplishment of mankind. If
so,
I'd liek to see you defend that position.

And with climate warming accepted by many as scientific fact,
it
will provide to some all the more reason to decrease the
population.

Greg

Now that you say you're finished....
I don't think I am smart enough to sit in moral judgement of
others on this issue. Nor do I have the right.

So Bob, let me get this straight - you can have no opinion on
the
topic and by the same token, neither am I allowed an opinion;
that
"abortion" is so sacrosanct as to make null and void any
opinions?
Is that truly what you are saying?

Have an opinion and by all means live by it.
But, please don't be egotistical enough to believe that your
opinion
is worth any more than anyone else's. Don't try to force other
people
to live according to your opinions.

Do you mean "have an opinion and live by it", but don't espouse
it?
By
simply espousing it, I am egotistical and forcing people to live
according to my opinion. Is this what you are saying?

If not then how am I being egotistical and how am I forcing people
to
live according to my opinion? Give me the secret to forcing people
to
live by my opinion and I'll rule the world :)-

Osama isn't going to succeed in getting people to live by his
opinion, but he's going to generate a lot of misery before somebody
finally succeeds in getting him to stop trying.

If there is enough consensus that abortion is harmful to society
then
there will be a Constitutional Amendment to allow it to be banned
in
the US.

Bullsh... War kills young people. Has war been outlawed? Driving
under
the influence is the single largest contributing factor to
accidents.
Is alcohol illegal?

Interesting that you use alcohol as an example of something that would
not be banned by Constitutional Amendment if there was a large enough
consensus that it was harmful to society. It's interesting because it
reflects very badly on the depth of research that you have put into
the formation of your opinion. You see, it is widely known in the
United States that as the result of such a consensus, alcohol _was_
banned by Constitutional Amendment. It took less than 20 years for
society to realize that the ban was more harmful than the alcohol and
to repeal that ban.

As for war, please tell us what agency has the power to ban war. You
are confusing a political process with pipe dream.

So you think abortion is legal because it is helpful to society?

Why would I think that that was the reason that it was legal?

Stated slightly differently, because it's not that harmful to
society?

"Helpful" is not the alternative to "not harmful". It is legal in the
United States because the Supreme Court ruled that the interest of the
government in protecting society from any harm caused by abortion does
not outweigh the woman's right to privacy. So it is not what I think
that matters, it is what the Supreme Court thinks.

Did you know that nearly 68,000 women and girls die yearly worldwide
from abortions? And that "Yet, regardless of legal status, abortions
still occur, and nearly half of them are performed by an unskilled
practitioner or in less than sanitary conditions, or both."

Did you know that nearly ten times that many women and girls die
yearly worldwide from complications of pregnancy and childbirth, and
that regardless of legal status, births still occur, often with the
attendance of no practitioner whatsoever or in less than sanitary
conditions or both?

http://www.prb.org/Reports/2006/UnsafeAbortionFactsandFigures2006.aspx

Abortion is legal because it's big business.

Well, now, here you are using a typical knee-jerk argument that has
little basis in fact.

In the US there are about 800,000 abortions a year, most done on an
outpatient basis with a physician and a nurse getting maybe an hour of
work out of it.

There are about 4,000,000 births a year, most done in a hospital, with
several nurses and at least one physician in attendance, with the
birth going on for possibly a day or more, sometimes with a major
surgery involved. Then there is another 12 years or so of regular
work for a pediatrician, and then there are the diaper companies and
the baby food companies and the toy companies, all of whom benefit
directly from the birth. If anything is "big business" it's birth,
not abortion.

War is big business.

War is also something that often gets inflicted on a nation from
without.

Alcohol is big business. No matter how much woe they cause, they're
money makers.

And that "big business" was succesfully banned, putting the lie to
your claim that something being "big business" won't result in its
being prohibited.

Things aren't as neat and pat as you might think.

Actually, they are. When enough people believe that an action that it
is in the power of the US government to prohibit is suffiiciently
harmful to society to merit such action, it will be banned. It is not
within the power of the US government to ban war, and alcohol in fact
_was_ banned.

If you want to try to create such a consensus be my guest.
But you're not going to succeed if you try to do it by criminal
means,

Huh? What criminal means do you propose I use to create a consensus,
which usually means an agreement of some kind.

or by asserting that people who are obeying the law are criminals.
And if you come to my door, I'm going to slam it in your face.\

I'll be at your house tomorrow and everyday after that until you
agree
to my consensus... and not only me, but 33,345 abandoned refugees,
300,000 babies, and 34 homeless folks with fully-filled shopping
carts
from DC.

Well, there's your "criminal means". That's called "trespass" and if
they get out of hand one might also try "inciting to riot" and if they
mess up the lawn we can add "vandalism". Further, with a ratio of 9
babies to each abandoned refugee or homeless person, Youth Services is
probably going to be coming after you for "child abuse".

If you want to sell your political agenda you need to come up with
some arguments that are far, far more persuasive than the ones that
you have presented.

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