Re: THP hassle on the Dragon


"steve" <nobody@at here.com> wrote in message
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"Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe> wrote in message
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steve wrote:

Mullholland is a public street, no one has more rights that others to
use
it. Residency and property holdings are irrelevant. The concept of
stakeholders is silly

Get real. The government cannot prevent property owners and business
people
from accessing their holdings except in emergency. And there's a law
against
anybody else trying to stop them from getting to their property and
businesses.

OTOH, the law enforcement agencies can and do tell the public that they
have
no legitimate business in a neighborhood or on a public highway. That's
why
there are anti-cruising ordinances on the books.

They indeed make those statements, but they they really have no
authority to push it beyond that. If they do, that is what the
recording capability in your cell phone is for. If you are not doing
anything illegal, then having your arm twisted by an LEO is an abuse of
authority.

Anti crusing ordinances are local, very specific, and are posted on the
streets/areas in question. Also the charges hard to hold up in court if
challenged.

One upset squid posted a message about being stopped on Seven Level
Hill.
a squidbait road near Palm Desert. The arresting officer told him that
if he
even rode up the switchback hill twice at legal speeds, he'd be busted
for
cruising, if nothing else.

An unsupportable threat, but it doesn't surprise me. I doubt a codger
on a GW1500 would have received the same threat, assuming he was
behaving himself. The approach is common among LEOs who work traffic.
They have a tremendous amount of discrestion and also know that the
codger might push back sucessfully.

The CHP invited property owners and stakeholders in the community
around
Cornell, CA to meetings to discuss the problems with squidz and stuntas
and
Ricky Racers, but said squidz, stuntas, and Ricky Racers were not
invited.

So far as I know, no representative of *any* motorcycle group was
invited to
participate in the planning of "Iron Horse", but CHP officers leaked
the plan
to
ABATE representatives.

Mulholland Hwy is open to the public, who have the revocable privilege
of
walking or mountain biking on the dirt part, or driving a motor vehicle
on
the parts which are not closed.

Mulholland Hwy runs from Mt. Hollywood Drive in Griffith Park to Leo
Carillo
State Beach Park on the Pacific ocean. Several miles of the road run
along a
ridge of the Santa Monica mountains through a residential area of
multi-
million dollar homes owned by celebrities such as Glenn Campbell and
the late Marlon
Brando. That area is called Mulholland Drive.

The real issue is it private or public roads. If its not private,
transist must be allowed under normal circumstances. Its analogus to a
right of free passage excersize. Even during max enforcement, non
locals are allowed transit. LEO comments to the contrary are
suggestions without legal force behind them .

After crossing Topanga Canyon Blvd., Mulholland Drive again becomes
Mulholland Hwy and becomes rural. The mountains surrounding the road
are
volcanic in nature....

SNIP (of an excellent description of
the area)

Having lived there for many years, and ridden/driven the area
repeatedly, I am well familiar with the features and stunning
landscape.. Never been bothered by the cops or squids.
I've driven it a couple times while down there for visiting relatives. I
don't recall seeing any anti-cruising signs on the main part of Mulholland
Dr. There was a lot of traffic on the road, I remember that.

Robert


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