Re: Demographic shift?

Rayvan wrote:
> sqidbait wrote:
> > Rayvan wrote:
> > > sqidbait wrote:
> > > > Rayvan wrote:
> > > > > sqidbait wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > [1] No more of this T100 or Tundra nonsense. They'll be
> > > > > > going for the throat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Titan, Tundra like all 1/2 ton pickups is just a car with a bed. Unless
> > > >
> > > > Shot of the Titan's frame...
> > > >
> > > > http://trucks.about.com/od/nissantruckphotos/l/bl_04_titancr_d.htm
> > > >
> > > > Nissan brought a rolling frame to the SF auto show, so people
> > > > could get a look and feel. 'Twas neat.
> > > >
> > > > > it can tow 10,000 lbs. *along* with 3,500 lbs. of weight in the bed,
> > > > > they won't be taken seriously by anyone who *really* needs a truck.
> > > > > When and if Toyota does that, AND keep thier price in line with Ford,
> > > > > Dodge and GM, then I'll agree with you.
> > > >
> > > > What's to agree with? I made a statement of fact.
> > >
> > > Fact is, the Bigg Badd Titan King Cab 4X4, has only has a payload
> > > capacity of 1377 pounds. I don't care how the frame *looks,* You can't
> > > dispute the fact that most minivans have a better payload rating than
> > > this. Like I said: It's a car with a bed, not a truck.
> >
> >
> > So the F150 is a car with a bed as well? 'Cause the average F150
> > can't carry 3500 either!
>
> Yep! Only 1560 lbs. for the 4 door 4WD F150.
> More truck than Nissan but still not a "truck."
> BTW, at 1400 lb's my brother's old Chevy Caprice Wagon has more payload
> than a Titan!
>

<shrug> For the people who want to tow a boat or a horse
trailer, the Titan or F150 isn't a horrible choice. But yeah,
anyone who really wants payload would buy at least an
F250 level truck.

> > The big strength of the domestics is that they have a broad
> > range of options. For light duty you can get an F150 from Ford;
> > if you need something heavier an F250 or F350. You've
> > got a bunch of bed styles, engine choices, etc. You can
> > have a truck essentially customized to your needs. Light
> > to heavy duty - or somewhere between - the choice is yours.
>
> That's what I'm saying.
> And until Toyota and Nissan have the same choices, they won't even come
> close in sales numbers.

Sure, but I don't think anyone is saying that Toyota is going to
come out and sell 500,000 units of their new truck in the first
year. The point is that Japan Inc finally seems to understand the
rules of the game in the full size market, and they are coming to
compete.

-- Michael

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