Re: Guess What I Found??

Calgary <caldlbdeleteallthis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:58:43 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
> <spamsucks@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Calgary <caldlbdeleteallthis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>news:puqpl199l0r9p5s5a0q51u36r7h9ns4ie1@xxxxxxx:
>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:22:20 -0500, Bob Mann <wiley48@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:22:51 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
>>>><ecregger@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Xns96F91450B4813mc2500183316chgoill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Calgary <caldlbdeleteallthis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>>>>> news:blkol1lsgrjll74fpism3iev8r6mfp4t1k@xxxxxxx:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:49:27 -0400, motownmoto@xxxxxxxxx (moto)
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>B.E. ...
>>>>>>>>Matter of fact, there is a museum of WWII
>>>>>>>>planes at what used to be our old 'main' airport. Now it's mostly
>>>>>>>>private planes, a lotta air transportation services, and this
>>>>>>>>museum, which I've never visited.
>>>>>>>>I should make a trip over there, and maybe see what kinda reaction
>>>>>>>>I'd get by wearing that littte beauty while I'm there. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you ever think the people who wore that uniform in combat
>>>>>>> might object to some jerk wearing it for fun or to show off. I am
>>>>>>> sure if that jerk ever tried to pretend he wore it in combat,
>>>>>>> those same people would be unanimous in their disgust.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put it back in the closet Moto or better yet donate it to the
>>>>>>> museum. It doesn't fit you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WWII vet complaining? Let see, the war was over in 1945. That was
>>>>>> 60 years ago. Any living vet would be 80. I doubt they will
>>>>>> complain unless prompted to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wear the stuff. If someone complains tell them to stuff it. You
>>>>>> are an American and are proud to wear a part of America's history.
>>>>>> This whole country is obsessed with not offending someone. F' 'em.
>>>>>> Do your thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pierce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't catch the beginning of this thread, but if it is a uniform
>>>>>that is being discussed, I don't think I would wear it anywhere that
>>>>>there is a chance of running into the Military Police. Lots of those
>>>>>guys are huge and they have no aversion to using their billy clubs.
>>>>>You might come home with a whole lotta lumps. <G>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed Cregger
>>>>>
>>>>Uniforms of all types are available for sale at Army surlplus stores
>>>>across the continent.
>>> And wearing that stuff makes you the worst kind of poser there is.
>>>
>>>
>>>>As long as he shows an appropriate amount of resprect for the uniform
>>> And hopping on a motorcycle and riding around the neighbourhood shows
>>> appropriate respect. Not in my book.
>>>
>>>>I can't see a problem. It isn't my taste but then taste is highly
>>>>individualistic.
>>>>Besides, Moto only had the intention of wearing it to ride.
>>>>As long as he doesn't try to pretend it was his.
>>>
>>> Both of my parents were Veterans of WWII and my brother in law is ex
>>> armed forces, pilot. All of the WWII Vets took and take great pride in
>>> their service to the country and in their uniform. They left many
>>> friends on the battlefields of Europe. Having some idiot pick up a
>>> uniform from a surplus store and use it as a clown costume to ride
>>> around on a motorcycle desecrates their memory and what the uniform
>>> stands for.
>>>
>>>>Memrabilia is memorabilia.
>>> Military medals are available on the open market too. Is it ok to buy
>>> them and wear them too?
>>>
>>
>>Lets not get into who's family served when and where. I really feel
>>that is outside the issue. Besides you might just lose that part of the
>>argument for great many reasons not the least of which is sheer number
>>and rank.
>>
>>If you have a problem with it, fine, but very few share your sentiments.
>> The guy is not an idiot. He is not wearing it as a "clown costume" and
>>it just might make the sacrifies that were made long ago a lot more real
>>to people today. No one is desecrating anything. You act as if a bit
>>of old clothing or a memory is a holy relic. It is just that, a bit of
>>old clothing and the actions of your ancestors and mine is in no way
>>diminished. The books have been written, the web pages abound no matter
>>if the uniform is there or not.
>>
>>This reminds me of a converstaion I had with a young man and his father
>>regarding burning the US flag. The father was very upset by it. The
>>son said the following and I will have to paraphrase what he said. "The
>>flag is an icon and that is all it is. While I don't like the fact that
>>the flag is being burnt, I also realize that the flag is not America.
>>It is not the USA. It is not an irreplaceable thing. It is a flag.
>>Since this is the USA and if someone chooses to burn it then let them.
>>That does not in any way diminish the principles that founded this
>>country nor does it in any way change our ideas and ideals. As a matter
>>of fact the credibility of those that are burning the flag is severly
>>damaged if not completely destroyed. I still don't like it but they do
>>have the right and the liberty and the freedon to express their opinion
>>no matter what you, or I, or anyone else thinks."
>>
>>As far as medals are concerned, would it be appropriate to wear them?
>>Possibly. I would say that if someone were to wear grandpa's medal on
>>Memorial day or Veterans day, that certainly would be appropriate.
>>Would it be appropriate to wear it all the time? Maybe. It all depends
>>on the intent of the bearer. Intent is a powerful thing. It determines
>>is a statement is a lie. It determines if one is guilty of murder,
>>treason, and a host of other crimes. If the intent of the bearer is
>>just a cool looking bit of jewelry, then I would say it is not.
>>
>>pierce
>
> You are on record as to your position on this issue and it is
> fortunate in our countries you enjoy your democratic right to be
> wrong.
>
> While you are applauding Moto for dressing up as a soldier, not for
> any kind of a memorial service, but to ride around on his motorcycle
> showing off, think of all of those people who died wearing that and
> similar uniforms. You might at the same time offer your apologies to
> them, for mocking their memory.
>
> Maybe I am out of step on this issue. Have we progressed to the point
> we no longer recall with honour those who have fought and died to
> defend our land and way of life. Are we content with using the uniform
> they wore with pride as a halloween costume, to be trotted out any
> time some idiot wants to get a reaction or play toy soldier
>
> Well my bad if I happen to recall with pride the service my elders
> provided to ensure we all have the right to burn the flag and
> desecrate their uniforms. I doubt that is what they had in mind when
> they laid down their lives but in your view it is a positive result. I
> am glad there were not too many like you around in the 40's or else we
> would all be speaking German.

You are really funny and yet have a strange sense of humor at the same
time. Speaking german? That is hilarious.

You equate a bit of cloth as somehow being the cornerstone of what the US
is all about. Bits of cloth do not the USA make. Rights are rights and
the truth is the truth no matter how unpopular or wrong you or I deem it
be.

Here is a hypothetical question. If Washington DC were bombed today and
everything destroyed including the Declaration and the Constitution would
the US cease to exist? If every major city were reduced to dust would the
US cease to exist? If the goverment were to totally collapse would the US
cease to exist? The answser to all those questions is no provided that the
basic ideas of the constitution were to be upheld and someone stood there
proud to be an American. As long as there is one person left that holds
the idea that all men are created equal, have certain rights, then the US
is still alive. You can burn all the bits of cloth, you can even kill
people and descimate a government, but the US will remain. why? Because
the USA is an idea, an ideal and a belief. You cannot destroy that unless
you kill everyone that thinks that the USA is a pretty neat idea and
destroy all record of it ever having existed.

I think you have the whole idea about dying for your country wrong. The
goal in warfare is not to die for your country but to make the other SOB
die for his.

I wish you the best and a long and happy life. I really do. I just wish
you weren't so hung up on a bit of cloth or a piece of paper because cloth
and paper will rot and fade away to dust leaving nothing behind. It is the
spirit of America that will likely persist long after the memory of that
bit of cloth or paper is gone. Too bad you cannot see that fact or will
not see it.

When you say that we no longer recall with honor those that fought for this
country who the hell are you talking about? Speak for yourself.

Good luck!

I do have one question. Why are you using a Canadian ISP?

pierce
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