Re: which news reader do you use...?


"Black Cloud" <rcfalcon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Ed Cregger wrote:
>> "Vance" <itsme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:Kst7f.499033$5N3.193858@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>>Ed Cregger wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Black Cloud" <rcfalcon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>news:11lqreolas53pd5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ken Day wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:03:19 -0400, Gig <gig@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have been using free a while now but i was wondering whats else is
>>>>>>>out there does M$ have anything out there? or anyone else?
>>>>>>>thanks..
>>>>>>>gig
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Been using Agent for years. I like it better than anything else I've
>>>>>>tried .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ken Day
>>>>>
>>>>>Despite unsubstantiated claims of a "key logger", I've used Mozilla for
>>>>>over a year now with no problems. I've used both the straight Mozilla
>>>>>browser with email client and Thunderbird (email only) with no problems
>>>>>on all 4 of my machines and none of my antispyware has said anything
>>>>>about a key logger on any of them. I change antispyware software every
>>>>>so often and scan religiously so if a keylogger were to be employed,
>>>>>something would have found it by now. Actually, since I went with Giant
>>>>>(now Microsoft) antispyware and Javacools Spyware Guard and Spy Ware
>>>>>Blaster, I've been spyware free for sometime. I scan every now and
>>>>>again with Spybot as a backup as well. About all that shows up in any
>>>>>of my scans are tracking cookies which are deleted immediately. BTW,
>>>>>Netscape and Mozilla are the same thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They are NOT unsubstantiated. Get a copy of Kaspersky's set of computer
>>>>cleaning programs and see for yourself. The Kaspersky's software that I
>>>>am referring to comes with System Mechanic 5 Pro. There is a trial
>>>>version that they will let you download for free. It includes the
>>>>Kaspersky software.
>>>>
>>>>Ed Cregger
>>>
>>>Hmm-- I use System Mechanic 5 Pro. I also use Thunderbird and Firefox.
>>>None of the scans I have done with System Mechanic ever turned up any key
>>>loggers in Firefox. Just my personal experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll have to look back into my saved hard drive files and see if it was
>> Kaspersky's Spybot program that found it. I'm fairly certain that it was,
>> but anything is possible.
>>
>> Ed Cregger
> Ed,
>
> Just a thought. Sometimes antispyware turns up a false positive. My
> antivirus does this at times and some antispyware is wound just a little
> tight causing false positives. I don't know about Kopersky's but some
> antispyware also purposely give false positives in their demo to induce
> you to buy the full version. I am not saying Kopersky does this, just that
> it does happen. Also, do you remember the website that you used to ask
> about Mozilla? I ask this because I spent the better part of 2 hours on
> Mozilla's website www.mozilla.org and even went into the blogs to try and
> find a reference to an included keylogger. The only thing I could find
> that was close was for use on Bugzilla when the program crashes. It was
> optional and only was initiated if the program crashed. Similar to sending
> a crash report to MS.
> I am also wondering if you downloaded the Mozilla install file from
> Mozilla direct or an intermediary like C-NET. C-Net is reputable and I
> have never heard any complaints about tainted downloads from them but
> there are other 3rd party mirrors that may have been hacked or are run by
> less than scrupulous managers. I really don't think that Mozilla would
> include malware with their software as most "experts" recommend their
> stuff to avoid malware.
> It is also possible that someone wrote the keyogger to infect Mozilla and
> then faked the website. A bit far fetched on the fake website but these
> days, anything is possible.
> Sorry for the ramble but I am a Mozilla fan. That and you scared me for a
> bit while I did my own scans.


My anti-spy (still believed to be Kasperskys) had an option on which I
clicked. I was then directed to Mozilla's apologetic website. It happened. I
wasn't dreaming. And I have no bone to pick with Mozilla. I just thought it
strange that they would even admit to such a thing.

If they had not admitted to it, I would have thought that the key logger
came from elsewhere too.

That's all I can give you folks, but I don't think that I am misremembering.
The whole thing was rather strange as I had never seen an organization
explaining their use of such a device before. This is not to say that
someone could have gone to a lot of trouble creating a hoax just to warp
someone's head. It worked. But I was already warped.

I like Firefox, but it is slow and it gets weird after running it a while. I
don't think much of their mail reader, Thunderbird. It's okay, but I run
Outlook Express with tons of software keeping track of what comes in and
goes out, plus I turn off anything other than ASCII text, or keeping it to
very limited HTML.

So far, over ten years on the net, I've only been bitten a couple of times.
Once catastrophically and once that was not of much consequence.

Truthfully, if I had it to do again (mentioning this incident), I wouldn't.

Ed Cregger


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