Re: 1:240 (approx) scale figures, accessories, etc?

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Wayne wrote:

What "compassion"? You destroy their infrastructure, you
destroy
their economy, you destroy their homes, you remove all
possibility
of their gaining any rights or freedoms, you set up corrupt
government. Next you'll leave Iraq a political vacuum and set
them
up for a horrific civil war andprobably genocide - what
compassion?


The difference is, when innocent civilans die by an American
bullet or bomb, it was a mistake the Americans try very hard
to
avoid.

There's no evidence to support that lie.

If the left wing propaganda of the main western news media has
you
convince that American soldiers, sailor, air men and marines
kill
innocent women and children on purpose, then there's no point
in
continuing the conversation Greg. You've swallowed the whole
big
lie.

So the US military justice system, which has court-martialled and
convicted serving US troops for the *torture, rape and murder* of
Iraqi
citizens, and has other actions currently underway, is part of
the
left-wing propaganda media machine, is it Wayne? Are they telling
big
lies, too?

I reckon you've swallowed something, alright, ya fucken' idiot.


Mark, how many if any have been convicted of these aledged
atrocities?
None? 1? 2?

All conficts have a few bad actors. I would bet that the
percentage
of
the
150,000 American military military personnell in Iraqi comitting
murders
is
way lower than the percentage of murderers in the U.S. general
population.

The only problem with that theory is the numbers of Iraqi civilians
dead
since the US took control.

Well, it is estimated that about 20,000 of the civilians that died at
the
hands of the joint western forces, mostly U.S. Military, were
terrorists.

Well, if you subscribe to the theory that everyone killed by the US
occupation forces is/was a terrorist then that works. OTOH if we work
on
the principle that everyone is innocent until proven guilty then your
estimate of 20,000 civilians slaughtered by the US military is 20,000
innocent civilians slaughtered by the US military.

I know you are smart enough to know that combat and war doesn't work that
way Greg. Somebody is trying to kill you and you have to subdue him with
you bare hands and take him to the police station to start the judical
process? Are you one of them fanatic antiwar Quakers?


Imagine if 20,000 US civilians had been slaughtered in NY on 11/9!

I know exactly what would happen. Exactly what happened when 2700 US
Civilians were slaughtered in NY on 9/11.

The difference in Iraq and Afganistan is that very few innocents were
killed, and those by accidental colateral damage.

"Exactly what happened ..."
Terrorists from Saudi attacked a US target followed by the US invading
two countries that had nothing to do with that terrorist attack!
What's "exact" about that???

Afganistan - The mobster like Tahliban government was in bed with Osama and
allowed him to have terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. The 911 pilots
got terrorist training and money directly or indirectly from Al-Qaida.

Great story! Prove some part of it.


Iraqi invaded one of our allies, Kuwait.

Your government told Saddam that he could - hey, he was your ally, you
defend him!
BTW Saddam (your ally) was a repressive dictator, so the moment you got
him out you lost your reason for occupying Iraq.


A coalition of U.N. forces drove
the Iraqi army back into Iraq and a few days later Iraq signed a cease fire
under numberous terms dictated by the U.N. Coalition forces.

History.

Soon
afterwards the Iraq government began violating those agreed to terms and
continued to do so for the next 12 years or so, also violating a dozen or
more addition U.N. terms of behavior promulgated during those 12 years or
so.

Yeah yeah, that's history and the US turning against it's tyranical
sock-puppet ally.

As a result of these blatent episodes of brinksmanship and violations
by the Iraq government, hostilities by the western coalition were resumed
with U.N. approval.

No, the "Western Coalition" did not have UN approval - who tells you
these silly stories?

Addtionally, Iraq proved itself a sponsor of terrorism
by paying Palestinian familites $25,000 USD for turing their children into
suicide bombers to kill Israelis.

The US does the same to it's soldiers - you need a better story.


A million innocent people slaughtered due to US actions ... and two
entire countries doomed to foreign occupation!

Why don't you give the "million innocent people" a rest. You have
absolutely nothing to back up that yipping.

Wrong, that's the figure broadly agreed by all aid agencies - one
million while the US lead sanctions were in place and one million
innocent Iraqis slaughtered from the beginning of your invasion of Iraq.
The figures for those killed since could be 50% either way, 500,000 or
1,500,000. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Your use of the word slaughter is also bogus. Slaughter denotes intentional
mutilation and/or wanton destruction.

Very true - are you suggesting you've murdered a million Iraqis
_accidentally_????

? The U.S. Military does neither, and
is probably one of the most restrained, humane and beneficent militaries the
world has even seen.

LOL. Who tells you these silly stories???


The countries (if you want to call them that, considering they have had more
border configurations than you can court; most recently changed by western
powers) will be left to their own as soon as they can achieve a western
style quasi democratic government capable of and willing to join the world
community of modern nations.

So if they don't want state corruption like Saudi, Kuwait and
Afghanistan they're stuck with you bastards?





Possibly that amount and more were killed by the terrorists, most of
which
are not even Iraqis, but foreign infiltrators, including from Iran.

Can you prove any of that crap or are you just mud-slinging to justfy
your prejudices?

Prejudices? Check your mirror.
I get those figures from the broadcast news. Haven't you heard that many
weapons, and personnell from Iran have been captured, as well as
personnell
from Saudi Arabia and other Muslin countries?

So what? Exactly when did Iraqi people become your property, seperated
from their fellows in surrounding areas?

What fellows in surrounding areas?

Well, Iran, Saudi, Kuwait, Turkey etc etc. You can look at the map as
easily as I can.

You mean the Shiites in southerm Iraq
and the Shiites in Iran, or the Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq who hate each
other, and the Kurds, and the Christians, and the Jews, and the Hindus, and
the Buddhists, and the Taoists, and the .........well that's most of the
major groups they hate.

You forget that they all hate you!





So far you're suggesting 40,000 innocent civilians slaughtered while
the
US illegally controls their country.

Illegally?

Illegally - can you suggest any way that the US is _legally_ occupying
foreign nations???

Yes, by U.N. vote,

No.

by right of self defense,

Exactly when did Iraq invade the USa???

and by the utter lack of any
U.N. demands that the coalition leave Iraq and/or Afganistan.

Those would be rather pointless, and anyway you've created a situation
where Iraq would be at civil war in addition to being invaded by its
neighbours - in fact whimpy yanks appear to be sitting back while Turkey
prepares to invade northern Iraq right now.


(I know you
guys from small nations, who couldn't repel an amphibious invasion by the
Eastern Island Pacific Fleet of canoes, like that U.N. hot air puffery
stuff,

You're an insultic prick when you want to be!
- Remember 1914-1917 when the US sat making profits selling both sides
war materials.
- remember 1932-1939 when the US sat making profits selling both sides
war materials.
- Remember 1939-1941 when the US sat making profits selling both sides
war materials.
- New Zealand is currently involved in more UN peacekeeping missions
than the US is.


what with Coffi and his son making a fortune under the table from
Saddam while proclaiming more sanctions against him in the General
Assembly)(France too)

That's a great smear campaign by the US but only yanks are stupid enough
to fall for it.



The U.N. approved the action,

Err no, they did not.

which includes military from many
countries fighting with us. And even if we were alone with no allies,
every
nation and creature has a right to defend itself.

In what sense is your invading a foreign nation that has not attacked
the US a "defence"???

We are defending America
against her avowed enemies.

They are your avowed enemies because you declared them your enemies, not
because of anything they have done.

They aid and abet, directly oir indirectly, terrorism

You are the terrorists.
The ME hasn't invaded the US - the US has and is invading the ME.
Think!




after they threw the first stone.

Iran attacked the US prior to 1952??? What event was that?
Iraq attacked the US before you backed Saddam Hussein into power? I
missed that one so would you please enlighten me.

They attached us and made us sad and sorry.

In what sense did they attack you? I seem to have missed that event!

Now it's their turn to be
sorry.

You've been attacking them for nearly 60 years - longer than I've been
around - what was this amazing event???

The main stream Muslims have had decades to get a handle on their
terrorist problem and not only failed but aided and abetted them.

You mean like Iraq having it's democraticly elected Prime-Minister
assassinated by the CIA and a stoneage tribal monarchy forced on them by
the USA, or your backing Sadam Hussein into power or ...

So, we
demand that they behave like polite human beings on the global scene,
just
like most of the people and nations of the world do.

You could always try to set an example rather than destroying their
attempts at rights, freedoms and democracies!

We demand

What right do you imagine you have to "demand" anything?

Then got any ideas how we Americans can get our government to deport all of
the muslims in our country?

Sure, go sectarian/racist and deport the lot.
Ok, MORE ...

Did you know that a lot of Christians who have lived in Iraq a long long
time have been getting murdered by Muslims lately, and their Churches have
been destroyed by Muslims lately? Our mainstream news doesn't want to
report that here.

Over a million?



that large numbers of Jews and Christians be allowed to move to muslim
countries and
buy land and build houses and Churches and Synagoges any where there is
land
available, and walk around safely and say anything we fell like saying
and
doing and get to vote etc., just like we allow the muslims to do in any
of
the western Crusader countries.

Would you accept ME demands that large numbers of Muslims be allowed to
move into the USA?

They already have. That's part of the problem.

Strange, I never heard of those demands! Does Iran have that much pull
in your government? As much as the Jewish lobby?




We demand that on what is now called Muslim
soil.........we can act just like we do here, in safety, to the point of
instituting a secular open western type society were reliously leaders
has
had their testicles figuratively removed for good, just like in the
western
nations. That is the obvious goal.

You're obviously a very young child -

I'm older than you are.

In years perhaps.


the USa hasn't yet learned to cope
with your Negro population,

Whats to learn? We work hard. Government takes 40% of our earnings.
Government gives 20% to our Negro population for doing nothing.

You're supposed to be arguing against me!


let alone it's native Indian population -

No even a factor. Too small in numbers to matter one way or the other.

Sure, but only after you slaughtered them.


sort your own problems first before demanding more of other nations than
you can achieve yourselves.

One of our big probelms right now is Muslims murdering Americans.

So where's the problem?




Like I've said before...they have three choices
Stay in their hate filled rat hole desert and mind their own business.

How can they "mind their own business" while you're occupying their
country and interfering in their nations?

They had plenty of time to mind their own business. Remember the invasion
of Kuwait? Remember the African US embassies? Remember the 1990s attempt
to drop a world trade center tower with explosives? Remember the USS Cole?
17 sailors murdered; 39 injured. And on and on......

So exactly when did the West stop interfering in ME politics?



Become modern and secular and polite to all people.

They were doing that - you interfered and stopped them.

Get pounded and controlled by outsiders.

They've had that for the last hundred years - it's hardly surprising
they're getting titchy.




We have about 300,000,000 people living in the U.S. and about
20,000
murders
a year. Assumming each murder was committed by a different person,
that
works out to be 1 murderer for every 15,000 people, with an Iraq
equivilency
of 10 murderers and 10 murders for 150,000 military personnell. I
can't
remember hearing any news stories about anything close to 10
military
personnell being convicted of murder, if any at all!

If you looked a bit harder you's see that over a million Iraqis have
died since the US took control.

That's about a 4000% exageration form Al Jezira and the left wing
western
media.

It would depend how one counts - the difference in population between
the day before you illegally invaded and today's population is close
enough for me. Considering the fact that the US admits it makes no
effort to count the numbers killed, I'll take Al Jazera's figures,
particularly as they match estimates from a variety of aid
organizations.

Have you considered, regarding your delta difference theory........that
about a million Iraqis have left the country since the recent
invasion......like everyone with a half a brains and some money!!!!!

The only people with money are those you yanks have set up in corrupt
positions of power.

A
bunch of them smelly flea infested rag head gas pumpers have even been
allowed in here, due to our liberal government, and much to the chagrin
of
us real Merkins. And a surlly bunch they are.


Why would you think US figures have any credence, given that you are
the
criminals?

You seem like a nice guy, but you are a hopeless liberal old hippie. If
I'm
a criminal, how come I've not been arrested?

You do the crimes you make the laws. That's the advantage of winning
illegal wars.


Have you ever considered selling the ranch and moving to the states? You
and Mark could get together and start a whinery.

Absolutely not - I prefer civilized countries - even Australia.



Regards,
Greg.P.
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