Re: 1:240 (approx) scale figures, accessories, etc?

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My conclusion is that modellers, including railway modellers
have
more
money but less time. I'd guess that the amount spent has
rocketted
up
over the forty + years I've been in the hobby (in real terms)
but
by
smaller and smaller numbers of enthusiasts.

Greg.P.
NZ

This might be a reflection of the economy as a whole. In a
"traditional" family (mother, father, 2.4 kids), it's not
uncommon
for
both the mother and father and 0.4 kid to have a job. More
working
=
less free time for things like model railroading and baseball.

Puckdropper

I live in a different economy (NZ) and culture. (what's
baseball?)
=;^)

(what's nuclear power in NZ for that matter?)

Something we don't allow here due to it's long term negative effect
on
the World's environment.

I just threw that in because I heard maybe 20 years ago that U.S. Navy
ships
are not allowed to dock in New Zealand if they are nuclear powered or
have
nuclear weapons on board (or maybe all U.S. Navy ships. It's a shame.


I think it was 1984.

Western civilized people all need to stick together as allies because
we
have so much in common, and so many threats to our way of life.

The US withdrew from ANZUS. New Zealand has always drawn more than it's
weight, unlike the US.

Sticking
ones head in the sand isn't going to make the bad guys go away.

You don't think you're just a bit paranoid? Who are and where are all
these "bad guys"?

The U.S. is
not the bad guys.

Wake up!
You've invaded Asia and the ME, not them you.

The middle east is Asia.

Only if you have a map centered on the USa and everything else
diminished to 5% of the World's surface.

The people who murdered Americans in Lebanon,

Note "Americans in Lebanon".

in the African embassies,

Note "In African"

on
the U.S.S. Cole,

Note the location of the U.S.S. Cole, interfering in other nation's
politics.

on a Cruise Ship,

Any particular cruise ship?

in European airports,

Any particular European airport?

and in New York
City,

Ever thought about the US interference on ME/Muslim nations at that
point in time???

to name a few, all came from the middle east, all were paid by Middle
Eastern governments, or other Middle Eastern benefactors as are the
people
murdering non-muslim civilians in Israel and in the Palastinian enclaves,

I think you might be muddling your metaphors and nations at that point -
It's the US and Israel refusing to recognise Palestine and the Palestine
people, while invading and occupying considerable portions of their
land.

and no Middle Eastern government were lifting a finger to stop them.

Why would any nation lift a finger to stop them? Which ME nation
actually had the ability and the knowledge of their actions to stop
them?

Saudi Arabia perhaps, but you attacked Iraq, which obviously had no
part.

How
long would you suggest we wait before taking action?

Let's see, you interfered in Iran in 1952, Egypt in 1956, ... Perhaps 50
years would be reasonable?



We don't chop people's heads off and murder little
children by the hundreds like the Muslims do.

Err, well yes you do.

We do? When and were?

Afghanistan and Iraq, you're threatening to do more in N.Korea and in
Iran.
Previously 2 million in Vietnam.
What's your current score, 3 million? 4 million? more?




Look at the death toll in Vietnam - you slaughtered 2 million
Vietnamese
by your own figures - for the "crime" of them wanting their own country
free of foreigners and united.

I'll bet all the unarmed civilians murdered or imprisoned by the North
Vietnam communists after we left where just thrilled by the victory, as
were
the millions of dead Cambodeans short after.

By your own figures you slaughtered 2 million Vietnamese, for the crimes
of wanting a unified country without foreign intervention.


Look at Afghanistan - you've sent 90% of the population back to stone
age tribal warlord control and skite that the other 10% now has
"democracy".

There were at 99% tribal warlord status long before we got there.

Sure, now you've set it in concrete.


Look at Iraq, at least a million dead since you invaded,

Where did you get than figure? I doubt if we even filled 20,000
terrorists.
I guess the other 980,000 were normal old age?

What sources of figures do we have? - the US is in control and
apparently keeps no figures.
Various civil rights groups estimate the death toll in Iraq since the US
began their invasion at "over 1 million". As you don't bother to keep
any tally that's the figure we have to go with.


a million dead
before that while you kept sanctions against Saddam (91-02)

More normal old age.

Old age begins at 5 years old.
You can pout and bluster all you like, we know the population before you
interfered, the current population and the projected population. Whether
the difference is _one_ or one million or two million the US took
control so the responsibility for the slaughter of one or one million or
two million is all yours. Imagine if the US airforce bombed (a) US city
and killed one or one million or two million people ... are you
suggesting one yank is worth more than one Iraqi???


We had to keep sanctions on, because France was making
a fortune under the table shippin him whatever he wanted.

You had to kill a million Iraqis because you imagined the French were
making a profit???
What sort of fuckwitted logic is that???


Like Iraq didn't invade Kuwait, rape innocent Kuwaiti woman, getng caught
carting off half the goods in Kuwait and setting fire to hundreds of oil
wells

So that's your justification for invading Iraq, raping innocent Iraqi
women, geting caught carting off half the goods in Iraq and setting fire
to hundreds of oil wells?


and over a
million dead while you supported Saddam.(78-91)

We don't murder people in the
U.S. because their religion is different, like the Muslims do.

Are you sure? When did you stop doing that?

OK, we had 3 murders for religious reasons between 1750 and 1950, and
they
have 50 a day. Good comparison.

Those might well be selective numbers!
(ie, you made them up. AKA lies)



We've had
every right to stick our flag on conquered Japan and Germany and Italy
after
WWII, and make the land U.S. territory, and relegate the inhabitants
forever
to 2nd class citizens or enslave them like the Muslins do to the
non-Muslims
who live in their countries, but instead we gave away even more U.S.
taxpayer money to our enemies as welfare and rebuilding their economy,


Either you're not very smart or you've forgotten the lessons of history
that those responsible for that rebuilding knew.
Without those nations being rebuilt your own economy would have sunk to
almost nothing.

Yeah right. We only did it for selfesh reasons, despite not one of our
factories got a scratch.

Your factories would have had no international customers - you wouldn't
have been able to buy anything offshore without international trade -
that includes oil.


Germany became Facist because the US and France demanded such high
reparations after WWI.

Germany started WWI and deserved to have their country go non-existent.

Well actually, the Austro-Hungarian Empire reacted to foreign actions
which started WWI. (Serbo-Croatia)
As was the norm in those days Austro-Hungary had defence treaties with
various countries, in particular Germany which was thereby forced into
the War.
Might I mention that the USa has "defence" treaties" with various
countries and groups of countries and could in the same way find itself
embroiled in someone else's wars. Check out NATO as an example.

Germany started many wars in previous centuries too. My ancestors moved
over here in the 1860s to get out of there for that very reason.

"Germany" as a nation didn't exist until 1871. You really should
research your prejudices before you start projecting them.
In 1870 what is now the United States of Germany consisted of 245
seperate states.




going
so outrageously far as to allow the number one responsible party for
the
death of over 2000 Americans in the cowardly sneak attack on Pearl
Harbor.........the Emporer of Japan, who claims to be a living GOD, to
stay
in power.

I don't know whether you've noticed, but the US starts it's wars these
days exactly the same way - difference is that Japan's intention was
not
to begin it's war against the US without a declaration of war - stop
reading the old propaganda.

No, they gave us a whole couple of hours notice.

The US was taking military action against Japan, to wit a blockade of
Japan's essential survival supplies.


Saddam got months notice
in 91 and months notice in 2003.

Can you point out to me where Saddam was threatening the USa?
Was he cutting off your oil or rubber or some other essential raw
material?


He played brinksmanship to boost his
prestege, and he lost.

You gave him a "Catch 22" ultimatum - prove he had destroyed the
non-existant WMDs and be invaded by his neighbours through proving that
Iraq was defenseless, or be invaded by the US. He didn't have any
options.




All this, after they started the war, killed hundreds of
thousands of innocent Americans, in some cases even canabalizing
Americans.

WOW! You really need to get a more up to date history book! Japan
attacked the US because you were blockading their country. They were
down to minimum reserves of oil and rubber and had either to fold or
attack - you yanks knew that.

I never heard the blockade fantasy before. You mean we actually had U.S.
Naval ships blocking off the Japanese harbors so no shipping could get in
or
out?

There were a very limited number of supply points - yes, you had those
blockaded.


I did hear we stopped shipping them scrap metal to try and get them to
stop committing atrosities in China and Manchuria, like wholsale rape,
pillaging, forcing women to become military protitutes, throwing babies
in
the air and catching them on their bayonets, etc. What, we don't have
the
right as a nation to decide who we trade with?

At what point were _you_ trading rubber and oil with Japan?
No, the issue is not whether or not you should trade with Japan, but
whether or not you should cut them off from the raw materials they
needed.
You traded with then from 1932 until 1941 while they were committing
atrosities in China and Manchuria, like wholesale rape, pillaging,
forcing women to become military protitutes, throwing babies in the air
and catching them on their bayonets, etc. Why in 1941 did you suddenly
notice those attroicities???

If you're going to parrot yank propaganda, at least think through the
implications of the crap you're parroting.


I noticed you didn't deny the canabalism claim :-)

How does one prove that something that stupid _didn't occur?
Do you happen to have accurate statistics for the rampant cannibalisim
currently occuring in the US?

Search for Chichijima and Japan and Canabalism

In his book Flyboys: A True Story of Courage, James Bradley details several
instances of cannibalism of World War II Allied prisoners by their Japanese
captors. The author claims that this included not only ritual
cannibalization of the livers of freshly-killed prisoners, but also the
cannibalization-for-sustenance of living prisoners over the course of
several days, amputating limbs only as needed to keep the meat fresh

Check out the ritualistic canibalism practiced on American PoWs shot down
and captured on Chichijima in the Bonins in 1944-45. Our former president,
Bush the Elder, was almost a victim. This is all exceedingly well documented
with plenty of witnesses. They killed the airmen, cut out their livers, cut
the livers into tiny pieces and sauteed them. The Japanese officer
responsible for this then served the sauteed liver delicacies to his fellow
officers in the believe that they would inherit the soul and courage of the
enemy. There is loads of trial testimony on this, Michael, plus a quite
recent book. The guilty parties were tried on Guam by the U.S. Navy on the
orders of Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz.

I assume this is all documented by a victim?


And now Greg, it's time for you meds. Have a nice life.

;-)
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