Re: Feeling Blue

Mark Goldberg <msgoldberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

: Good... ID proponents should not teach biology or evolution. And
: Evolutionists shouldn't pretend anymore to teach the meaning of life...

I've never encountered a scientist who suggested that evolution had any
relationship whatsoever to the "meaning of life", whatever that means.

: Oh, and when and if I sit down with any of those folks again, what with
: their advanced degrees in science, I'll let them know just how evidence
: less their lives are.

Specifically ith regard to intelligent design, yes, please do call them on
it. Watch their arguments crumble.

: It's there, by them, and I've met them, and discussed these things and
: listened to them lecture on that and other issues. Science is
: fascinating. And other things are fascinationg too. They are involved in
: both, and do both, quite well.

Okay, please point me in the direction of some material.

: ID isn't 'science' in the pure science, and shouldn't be taught as science.

However this is not the claim that most ID proponents make. They claim
that reason can prove essentially that certain evolutionary steps are
impossible. Reason is science, or rather the scientific method is the
result of the application of reason.

: Well... at least she's not the censor you are.

Is "censor" your word du jour?

I've always been a big proponent of discussion, so let me re-emphasize.
I think that intelligent design should be discussed. We can discuss it
along with arguments against man-made climate change, various religious
texts and anything else anyone likes. That's perfectly fine by me.

However when it comes to education there is only so much class time and
consequently there is only so much material we can teach. How do we
choose? We choose the things that make sense, have evidence, and so on.
This is not a question of censorship, it's a question of good reason and
time management, basically.

If a teacher wants to discuss alternate non-scientific (as you suggest ID
is) theories of life with some interested students, go for it, form a club
and do it after school.

: Since it's been laid out, and discussed, why don't you look it up and
: repost it. I'm not doing your work for you.

Actually everywhere I look I find commentary on how content-LESS her
speech was. I think you spoke too soon in regards to this and now I've
called you on it you're stuck.

Justin

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