Re: Three men make a tiger

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:07:43 -0400, "David L. Burkhead"
<dburkhead@xxxxxxx> wrote:



Actually, let's go back to Hal's claim here. Exactly what is it these
people can do that whoever Hal is referring with his "you" (most likely you,
Shuraii, but probably also me and quite a few others here) cannot?

you is typically considered plural in these discussions meaning anyone
taking the same viewpoint as you singular.


So, tell, Hal. What is it that these folk can do that Shuraii and I cannot?

lot's of things. I saw this thing where this Shaolin monk dude did
handstands on just one finger. Can you do that?

And is chi actually _required_ to do it or could someone like, say the late
Kyuzo Mifune, have done it _without_ relying on "chi"?

that is the key mistake you keep making. Chi is not magical nor
unique as a method of human performance. The mere fact that someone
can perform the same feat without the claim of chi does not invalidate
chi.


What is it that one can do with "chi" that cannot be done without it?

the question is not if it CAN be done without chi by anyone, the
question is if the person in question could perform that task without
chi. As I've explained, the study of chi is a study of maximizing
human performance. By harnessing the ower of chi through training and
exercise a person can learn to perform feats they otherwise would not
be able to do. The fact that you can find a strongman who can lift
more than someone practicing chi does not mean that person's chi
training failed. It simply means you found a stronger person. Such
is the problem with your control group. You guys with your delusions
of scientific grandeur seem to think there must be scientific proof
that something can be done with chi and only with chi and someone else
performing a similar task invalidates chi. It does not. Systems for
maximizing human potential are not mutually exclusive. You can indeed
have several paths to enlightenment. And anyone who trains in high
performance athletics of any kind these days, most likely use
visualization and training drills that are very, very similar to Asian
internal arts training. The fact that they don't call it chi does not
mean it isn't the same thing. And the fact that they don't call it
chi and can perform to similar or greater levels than a chi
practitioner does not mean chi is somehow flawed or non-existent. On
the contrary. The existence of modern training techniques that are
cleary so similar to chi only helps prove the validity of the system.

After
all, if one doesn't need "chi" to accomplish the same results, then one can
hardly be jealous of folk for their knowlege of "chi."

stop it with your absurd mutual exclusivity clause, and we might get
somewhere.


Hal
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