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You seem to think like GDS. You cannot get your mindset out of
petroleum when you think about energy. >

Dude, petroleum isn't just about energy.

Petroleum is a price-input into the manufacture/growth, transport
and distribution of almost every industrial, agricultural and
consumer product.

It's not so much the consequences of running out; more the impact
on the price of everything as the gap between supply and demand
broadens.

The worldwide inflationary impact is truly scary. With crude at
$400 per barrel, that box of cornflakes might cost $50.

One simple solution I have in
this thread is hydrogen fuel-cells.

It looks promising until you dig down and realize it's a net energy
loser.

Biofuel, which has also been touted as a viable alternative, is now
seen to be a possible disaster in the making, creating a 'fuel vs
food' issue.

The cost of converting the existing fuel creation/delivery
infrastructure from gasoline to hydrogen or anything else is beyond
feasible.

It would require an industrial re-fit with no parallel in human
history, and would ironically require an hugely increased use of
petroleum to achieve it.

Extending the plateau by drastically reducing demand is the only
possible answer, and that hardly seems likely.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/




Industrial revolution was done with coal and steam engines.

Yes....and....???

Coal is
also fossil fuel.

Right.....and....???

There must have been people like you in those days
crying about the world will come to an abrupt end when coal runs out.

Except crude oil isn't coal. BTW, do you know what they do to coal to make 'synthetic' fuels?

And even when internal combustion engine was invented, there must have
been people like you who said "The cost of converting the existing
fuel creation/delivery infrastructure from coal to gasoline or
anything else is beyond feasible. It would require an industrial re-
fit with no parallel in human history, and would ironically require a
hugely increased use of coal to achieve it. Extending the plateau by
drastically reducing demand is the only possible answer, and that
hardly seems likely".

The coal/steam infrastructure was negligible to what exists now for petroleum.

If you stop crying and listen for a second to what I said about
hydrogen.

You don't know much past the basics, which I hope you are not going to attempt to explain to me.

Hydrogen comes from electrolysis of water (H2O).

<sigh>

The product
of water electrolysis is done right at the site of hydro-electricity
generation plants. The resulting products are pure hydrogen and pure
oxygen. Hydroelectric generation is free, other than operating cost,
so that hydrogen is almost free, and will never run out.

There's no such thing as free energy.

Do you know there is no air in space?

<deep sigh>

Oxygen from the hydrogen
production

You mean from the on-board hydroelectric system????

can be used in space travel for breathing and for
combustion with hydrogen, and the by-product is pure water for
drinking.

You have to think ahead: Hydro-electricity, hydrogen and oxygen are
all about damming the river and put a generator there. And space is
the next frontier.

Yes, let's all hop aboard our hydro-electric generated, hydrogen powered spaceships.

The spaceships constructed with no petroleum inputs, so no thermal insulation, no computers or plastics.

Uh huh....

--
GDS

"Let's roll!"



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