Re: Well, rightards? Was: Placebo effect was: kenoki footpads

Herbert Cannon wrote:
"Wayne Dobson" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Herbert Cannon wrote:
3000 years of acupuncture has done just that. Sorry, you don't
read Chinese?

How many diseases has it cured?

How many diseases has western medicine cured? Take your time. There is
no rush.
Smallpox, polio, yellow fever, scarlet fever, measles, shingles,
malaria, vaccine for pneumonia, ...

The prescribed treatments for all of the above, are either vaccination or
antibiotics, neither of which are modern inventions. Furthermore, the
modern use of the word 'cure' in medicine is spurious, in that it diverges
from what is observed to take place in practise, and suggests either an
eradication or a conquering of disease. The fact is, disease has neither
been eradicated, nor conquered. If we do not live healthily, then we get
sick. No modern hocus-pocus has ever succeeded in changing that simple
fact.

Examples of ancient references to what you claimed to be modern-day medical
breakthroughs:

* Smallpox:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox]

Prevention

"The first attempts to prevent smallpox were practiced in India as early as
1000 BC,[24] and involved either nasal insufflation of powdered smallpox
scabs, or scratching material from a smallpox lesion into the skin. This
procedure was known as variolation and, if successful, produced lasting
immunity to smallpox. However, because the person was infected with variola
virus, a severe infection could result, and the person could transmit
smallpox to others. Variolation had a 0.5-2% mortality rate; considerably
less than the 20-30% mortality rate of the disease itself."

An account from letter by Lady Mary Wortley Montagu to Sarah Chiswell, dated
1 April 1717, from the Turkish Embassy describes this treatment:

"... The children or young patients play together all the rest of the day
and are in perfect health till the eighth. Then the fever begins to seize
them and they keep their beds two days, very seldom three. They have very
rarely above twenty or thirty in their faces, which never mark, and in eight
days time they are as well as before the illness. . . . There is no example
of any one that has died in it, and you may believe I am very well satisfied
of the safety of the experiment since I intend to try it on my dear little
son."

* Yellow Fever

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever]

Treatment:

"There is no true cure for yellow fever, therefore vaccination is important.
Treatment is symptomatic and supportive only."

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination]

History of vaccinations:

"Early forms of vaccination were developed in ancient China as early as 200
B.C.[1] Scholar Ole Lund comments: "The earliest documented examples of
vaccination are from India and China in the 17th century, where vaccination
with powdered scabs from people infected with smallpox was used to protect
against the disease."

Please stop talking ***.

... study and application of epidemiology prevents spread of epidemics,
syphilis, gonorrhea.

Epidemiology: the scientific study which turned up the groundbreaking
discovery that there is a need to take such sophisticated hygiene measures
as washing one's hands after calls of nature, so as not to get sick from
acting like an ignorant asswipe.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology]

History:

"In the medieval Islamic world, physicians discovered the contagious nature
of infectious disease. In particular, the Persian physician Avicenna,
considered a "father of modern medicine,"[6] in The Canon of Medicine
(1020s), discovered the contagious nature of tuberculosis and sexually
transmitted disease, and the distribution of disease through water and
soil.[7] Avicenna stated that bodily secretion is contaminated by foul
foreign earthly bodies before being infected.[8] He introduced the method of
quarantine as a means of limiting the spread of contagious disease.[9] He
also used the method of risk factor analysis, and proposed the idea of a
syndrome in the diagnosis of specific diseases.[10]"

Somewhat more sophisticated than the western scientific breakthrough
discovery that there is a need to wash one's hands, wouldn't you say?

Sulfa drugs, anti- biotic etc.

You are referring to synthetic drugs. Can you name a useful synthetic drug
that does not have a much healthier counterpart in nature?

Not to mention the many drugs that are used to treat
infections and cause symptomsof other diseases to abate;

You think that western science invented drugs? I'm beginning to wonder if
you do actually read, at all. That's a very ignorant position to hold.

and the use
of the psychotropic drugs that did so much to totally eliminate the
backwards in mental hospitals.

You really don't want me to get started on the debacle relating to the use
of modern psychotropic drugs.

I suspect you have little knowledge of mental illness and the use of those
drugs.

You clearly believe that mental illness is caused by not having enough
psychotropic drugs in your system. Can I then assume that you are taking
them?

Now name those cured by chanting, rolling bones, and sticking pins in
people. Take your time.

I'm sorry, I don't have any of that to hand. You'll just have to do with
what I've already presentd. Sorry.

--
Wayne Dobson
AKA "Dobbie The House Elf"


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