Re: A small note on homicidism

On Wed, 30 May 2007 09:35:49 -0400, Mark Goldberg
<msgoldberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


The discussions about the Religion of Pieces has brought people like me
to mention that 10-20% estimates of those in Islam who support those who
bring 'Jihad' to the world.

Now, this last Pew study in America showed 26%, but it's actually higher
as they didn't include the 4% who didn't want to answer and who bring I
think the number up over 30%. In England, the numbers of certain recent
polls were 56% if I remember correctly.


so what's the percentage again of people who actually still support
George Bush's illegal war of aggression against the Iraqi people?
Let's see, isn't it about 26%?

Fundamentalists are fundamentalists. Doesn't matter what you call
your god or who you identify at your prophets, or what you do for
profits.

Simple fact is Christians have killed a lot more innocent civilians in
Iraq than "terrorists" have killed in America.

So who's the aggressor?

Hal


From Spencers, jihadwatch:

May 30, 2007
300,000 Supporters of Suicide Attacks in America
Thoughts on the Pew poll from FrontPage (news links in the original).
Some of the results of the Pew Research Center poll of Muslims in
America were startling: twenty-six percent of Muslims between the ages
of eighteen and twenty-nine affirmed that there could be justification
in some (unspecified) circumstances for suicide bombing, and five
percent of all the Muslims surveyed said that they had a favorable view
of Al-Qaeda. Given the Pew Center?s estimate of 2.35 million Muslims in
America, and the total of thirteen percent that avowed a belief that
suicide bombings could ever be justified, that?s over 300,000 supporters
of suicide attacks. And 117,500 supporters of Al-Qaeda.

It is unfortunate that the Pew Center pollsters were not equipped with a
follow-up question for those who expressed support for suicide bombing,
asking them about the circumstances in which they would consider it
justified, and whether they would ever consider it justified in the
United States. As columnist Diana West has noted: ?the fact that a
significant young chunk of American Islam believes such violence has a
place in society indicates something closer to the end of unfettered
political opinion. It may signal the beginning of physical coercion as a
factor in the American political process.? The pollsters might also have
asked those who professed support for Al-Qaeda whether they were working
or would be willing to work to further that organization?s goals in the
United States ? but perhaps that kind of question shades too far over
into what law enforcement officials should be doing.

In any case, the implications of this poll are far-reaching. Yet
virtually no one is dealing with those implications. The mainstream
media generally reported the poll results as indicating that the
overwhelming majority of Muslims rejected extremism and were comfortably
assimilated into American society, without dealing in detail with those
troubling minorities. Headlines in major newspapers included ?Poll: Most
Muslims seek to adopt American lifestyle?; ?Poll: US Muslims Feel
Post-9/11 Backlash Despite Moderate Outlook?; ?Muslims assimilate better
in U.S. than Europe, poll finds?; ?U.S. Muslims more content,
assimilated than those abroad?; and ?Pew Study Sees Muslim Americans
Assimilating.?

Meanwhile, two of the leading Islamic advocacy groups in the United
States, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Muslim
Public Affairs Council (MPAC), shrugged off the unpleasant aspects of
the poll and stressed its findings about how well assimilated Muslims
were. Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR told MSNBC?s Tucker Carlson, ?I don?t see a
rise of religious extremism in the Muslim community?.If you look at the
totality of the survey results, the views of American Muslims more or
less mirror the views of people of all faiths of America.? He did not
cite, however, any evidence for this mirroring ? any survey, for
example, of Christians or Jews indicating any significant percentages of
support for, say, the Ku Klux Klan, or abortion clinic bombers.
Terrorism expert Steven Emerson, meanwhile, confronted Edina Lekovic of
MPAC on CNBC?s Lawrence Kudlow show, reading an editorial in praise of
Osama bin Laden published in the UCLA Muslim Students Association?s
newspaper in 1999, while she was editor of the paper. Lekovic denied
having been the editor of the paper at that time, but Emerson has made
available a pdf of the paper?s masthead that lists her as editor. Kudlow
had asked Lekovic what Muslims in America were doing to combat the
jihadist views expressed by some in the poll, and she stated that they
were doing a great deal, but offered no specifics ? and the incident
with Emerson damaged her credibility. In fact, neither the CAIR nor the
MPAC website contains any announcement about any program or initiative
of any kind designed to lessen support for suicide bombing and Al-Qaeda
within the Muslim community in America.

And therein lies the problem. The mainstream media?s soothing reports
about the poll not only misled the American public about the poll
results; they also failed to call American Muslim advocacy groups to
account for those results. The first question in every media analyst?s
mind should have been, What do Muslim groups plan to do to combat the
spread of the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacism among Muslims in
America? Pointing out that most Muslims in America eschew that ideology
is not enough; what about the others? Almost six years after 9/11, no
pressure is coming either from the mainstream media or law enforcement
for Muslim groups in the United States to institute comprehensive
educational programs against jihadism in their mosques and schools. This
poll, however, shows how much such programs are needed ? as well as a
national debate about how these groups should be regarded if they refuse
or fail to implement such programs.

But instead, we are supposed to be reassured that those holding jihadist
sentiments number only a few hundred thousand. The public discourse
about Islamic jihad has been dominated by fantasy since 9/11 and before
that, and if anything, the fog is thicker now than ever.

.

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