Re: OT-War history repeats itself


"suds mcduff" <sudsmcduff19911@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On May 21, 1:11 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
----Intel contrary to the Iraqi war was shouted down and suppressed.

Oh pooh the Demos got shouted down and voted that way because they
were
shouted down. Get real. That is a novel excuse.

----Shouted down within the Administration. You missed the point
again.

The Dems within the administration in congress were shouted down and
suppressed?

---Still obtuse , eh? I'm through explaining it to you. Why d'ya think
Bush gave Tenent a medal?

Why you mean old "slam dunk" who talks out of both sides of his mouth and
gets pilloried from the right and the left.

Dems in congress were within the admin - that has to be a first.

----Of course, that's not what's been said.






----Gee, it seems you're conservative heros don't think we're locked
in the struggle they tout, if they don't have the guts to try to
bring measures that would turn this thing in a true global war to
exterminate Muslims an d seize the oil. That's the "strategic" plan,
ain't it?

Speak for yourself.



----You don't hold that the Muslims need to be exterminated?

I am more worried about what they hold.

That we don't need mid east oil?
How liberal of you.

Why of course not. China will soon be drilling off the Florida coast for
Cuba when the greenies you so revere would not let the US companies do it
for us. Now the greenies are upset over windmills changing the wind patterns
affecting climate and killing so many migratory birds. And oh my someone
tell your greenie speaker of the house ethanol did not work out ( Archer
Daniels Midland thanks her though). Some one tell Kennedy that we may need
some windmills destroying his view and he really should not stop their
construction.
Oh and is it not terrible to have drilling rigs off your coast? Hell no.
That argument was taken up by a Gov down here years ago when he went to
other states with an abundance of sea food dishes to prove his point. No one
listened. Want to see $5.00 a gallon gas quick- wait until the next
hurricane knocks out some of those nasty old off shore rigs you dont like.
Unfortunately, you have been in thrall to the greenies. And guess what - all
those refineries that you dont like - well you have put them in my back
yard; you but are a real nimby when it comes to your own.
All you have to do is shut up your greenie nuts and build some more nuclear
plants. Oh that really upsets your greenies doesnt it. Geez what are we
going to do with all the nuclear waste? Or you could kill 20,000 people and
cut consumption of gas. After all studies show that moving to smaller fuel
efficient vehicles will cause 3,500 to 8,000 more vehicle deaths a year, so
why not just kill 20,000 quickly and be done with it.
Or maybe, heavens to betsy you, you could really give people a substantial
break on their taxes and encourage them to switch to more fuel efficient
vehicles. Now that has really got to stick in your craw. Using a free market
incentive to make us more energy efficient. Terrible idea that.
The point is it has not been me that is causing the problem. It has been
you.

I am not interested in saving you from yourself. I will
simply wait until you wake up.

The rich are getting tax

*cuts*. In ww2 the top 10% had a 75% income tax rate.

Yes and it was not the right way to go either.

----Well of course it was. Even with that, the war was bankrupting
the
country.

Really that most be why the US govt has collected more taxes this year
than
it ever has before in its history.

----There's more people now than ever before in it's history.

But according to you they are all poor and cant pay taxes..

----Nah, you're buddy Reagan started the program of wholesale wealth
tranfer from the poor and mid class to the rich.

Oh you mean when Reagan made it so you could not tax people twice? Once with
income taxes and the second time with inheritance taxes.
I hate to pop your little bubble - but do you have any idea of what % the
top 10% contribute in income taxes and what % the bottom 30% contribute in
income taxes?

Are you just spouting the usual left line?



Actually the rate you are touting rose to 95%. Kennedy turned that
around.
Someone woke up and said gee we are really killing initiative here.
If you raise the rate back then you will be hitting small businesses
most
of
which are sub chapter S corporations. You will be killing the very
people
you do not want to.
But then I dont expect you to abandon your mantra that the rich are
the
problem. Every political movement must have it scape goat. With Hitler
it
was the Jews - with the Democrats it is the rich.

----Nice touch, equating Dems with Nazis.

Maybe it was a mistake. Maybe I should have equated to it Salin and his
wealthy Kulaks.

----How bout the robber baron rich to the working poor?


How about when Clinton got the luxury tax passed on the Yacht industry and
the wealthy stopped buying yachts. I mean the nerve of the mean spirited
rich republicans buying those yachts when people were hungry. Guess who got
layed off and lost their ass.

The hilarious thing is the
number of multi millionaires and billionaires that are democrats.
Kerry - billionaire, Kennedy - billionaire, Feinstien - 50 million,
Gore -
millions, Clinton - ?, Edwards - 30 million and on and on. Then there
is
your leader Soros keeping his money offshore and tax free and calling
for
higher taxes.

----Hmmm, all self made men with the exception of Kennedy, and Gore.
I have no problem with rich people that seek to support the less
fortunate.

Do you really all those rich democrats are going to tax themselves? If
you
do you need some lessons in tax shelters. And of course there is your
hero
Edwards, who loses an election and lands a $480,000 part time job as a
consultant to an investment firm that keeps its hedge fund in the Caymans
as
tax shelter for its clients.

----Read about your heros Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Read about your own heros, silly.


Doesnt sound much like supporting anything but
himself to me.

----Need a list of contributions to the poor and working class?

Need a list of people building 8 million dollar mansions for themselves?


And what did he campaign on - let me guess - why it was
against the use of offshore tax shelters. Shades of your leader George
Soros.

----You really want to get into Soros? Wish we had more like him than
Scaife, Coors, et al.

Yeah more would be putting their money into those tax shelters in the
Caymans while raising your taxes.


Tax and spend never did work and let me tell you why.
You see you raise my taxes where it is too punishing for me to invest
my
venture capital then I merely put it into govt tax free bonds. To get
to
that stream of income you would have to fight off every municipal,
county
and state govt. The rich are here to stay no matter how much class
warfare
you try to generate.

----Sure, with people like you genuflecting to your lords and masters,
never questioning their motives, ect.
Positively un-american.

Tch like your master George Soros who had his billions in offshore tax
shelters while wanting to raise my taxes?


----Is that the only place his billions have gone? Look
carefully.......

Hey give me me billions and I will be a bleeding heart for you too. Kind of
like the Mafia supporting the Catholic charities.

Investment is never genuflecting -
you go with the market or you get punished by it.

---I believe during a time of war; ans this is a war for cultural
survival is it not?

Is it? You tell me.

-----This is what the Administration and it's supporters tells us.
Yet, the only sacrifice is made by volunteer troops.
No draft, we can have both guns and butter, no rationing, ect ect. Why
don't they tell the truth?

Which is?


----Can't figger it out? You among the ones that believed Hussein was
behind 9-11?

Cant state the truth? You among the ones that think the Democrats did not
believe Saddam had WMDs.



That the rich are best able to support such a war,> as the poor can't.
But they're not. No sacrifice at all from the top
10%, hell, they're making out like bandits.

They made out like bandits during WW II.

----While paying 75% income tax. Thanks for proving my point.

You missed mine.

----So, you agree the rich can well afford to raise their taxes to
fund the war as in ww2.

Like I said look up the % the rich pay now.

The rich are here to stay just as the poor are. No matter
what is done we will always have the nasty old rich and the poor old
poor.


-------Perhaps not. Pouring billions into a hole in Iraq......

Perhaps not what?



> ----Come now. I have never read anything by you respecting *any*
Dem.

"We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed
hungry
every night. Well, that was probably true. They were all on a diet."
Ronald Reagan, TV speech, October 27, 1964

Really who told us that ?Who was able to count with such efficiency
and
what
did they throw into the counting pot?. Sounds like political
propaganda
to
me.

---Ah, anything that diminishes your heros is "propaganda".

Anything that diminshes my heros with you is not propaganda but the
"gospel."

----Backed up by fact.

Slogans are not facts.

"Reagan's only contribution [to the subject of the MX missile]
throughout the entire hour and a half was to interrupt somewhere at
midpoint to tell us he'd watched a movie the night before, and he
gave
us the plot from WarGames, the movie. That was his only
contribution."
Lee Hamilton (Representative from Indiana) interviewed by Haynes
Johnson, Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years

Oh really. Quote someone other than a politician please. Sorry I will
take
Stephen Ambrose's assesment over Lee Hamiltion's any day.

---So, Lee Hamilton deliberately lied. Typical Reaganite.

Yes the Reaganites lied their way to stunning presidential victories. But
of
course when Republican's win it is a lie.

----Repubs win by lying.

Thanks you just proved my point.

I look forward to those truthful
Democrats buying votes with the dole.

---And the fence sitters sick of hypocritical conservative
politics......

And embacing those poor truthful democrats talking out of both sides of
their mouths.


-----I find it funny that the conservatives would like to put the
"amiable dunce" on Mt Rushmore.

Like I said two stunning Presidential victories over those brilliant
Democrats.

----So, by that yardstick, Clinton should be up there as well.

Well he is your hero is is not? Like you said " one of the great ones." But
great at what?


The guy from Mass was
most un impressive. So was Clinton.

if the press had treated the Clinton affair as they did with JFKs
little trysts, Clinton would have gone down as a great one.

Nasty old right wing press.

---Well, isn't that when you said the press were moderates? Pre-1965?
A liberal press would have shielded Clinton, in your view.

They did. Ask which major broadcaster became deleriously happy and showed it
when Clinton started bombing Serbia and turned Kosovo into a bulwark for
Islamist extremists. Hint he got fired not too long ago and everybody at his
news station celebrated.

What was it old Chet said " Four more years of
bull***."



JFK was a bona fide war hero. Clinton was a bona fide draft dodger.
----As was GW Bush.Daddy getting him a billet in a Champagne unit
where he didn't even show up half the time
makes him a draft dodger in my book .
Clinton's a self made man, GW and his ilk has everything handed to
them on a silver platter.
Give me the self made man over the silver spoon.

You were comparing Clinton to JFK. What happened? Did your ill fated
comparison fall apart?

----I though we were comparing Repubs to Dems. Afraid you'll lose that
one?

Go back and read your own words


Let's
try to stay on track here. Yes I do prefer, " Ask not what your
country
can
do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

----Which the rich are studiously avoiding. Off shore tax shelters,
ect.

George Soros and Edwards seem to be studiously avoiding it like other
rich
democrats. As for me, I already said dont expect me to save you from
yourself.

----That's where *all* their billions go?

That is pretty much like saying gee where do you think the Mafia puts all
its money. Why those wonderful people they give to charities. Hezbollah is
wonderful that way too. That does not mean they do not engage in radical
terrorism. That is not even an argument.
When you have billions you can pretty much place them anywhere you want.
But, trust me, you will protect them from taxes.You do not get billions by
being a bleeding heart and a boy scout. You become a bleeding heart after
you get billions. You can easily afford to then.
You see when you invest the first thing you learn is this lesson: " the
government is your enemy." Now go read " The Battle for Investment Survival,
" by Loeb.

Read more than you're right
wing sources.

Read more than your left wing sources.

More later, your posts are *way* to long for the work week.



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