Re: The Chi FAQ v1.1.7

But when honest questions asked there is always a dodge included.

you want absolute answers, and there aren't any.

Yeah, keep telling me what *I'm saying* despite the evidence to the
contrary.

I see an intentional attempt to cloak alot of terms in mystery.

No more arcane than your own jargon.

Remember that we're trying to describe something in literary terms that
isn't a literary model. The words as translated from Chinese don't convey
the same thing as they do in the original-

Yeah, that goes both ways.

and you should have heard it from
guys for whom English was a fifth language.

I've heard alot of it from guys for whom Chinese was a primary
language.

this skill should be available to all; understood and codified-

Won't be codified by at all, unless it is codified by people like me.

What's wrong? No CHI dudes got bucks? Where are the CHI practictioners
that are interested in tightening and refining their knowledge?
Welcome to the age of communication.

Chi dudes with bucks build schools; send money home to Mom; raise their
kids.

Yeah, I've seen the videys.

Academic guys are the ones that want hand-outs.

Why is the question being avoided here?

Where are the CHI dudes who want to tighten, refine and expand their
knowledge?

Hell; you won't risk $50- why should someone with unique knowledge give it
to you for free?

I've risked more than $50.

No, it's the tendency of one CHI to skim over the parts of what
another CHI dude says that he doesnt agree with. I didn't pull that
stuff out of thin air. Those words were spoken not by me, but by a CHI
master.

You tend to confuse the practice of chi-based activities with the
individuals that do them.
In India, they do differently than in China different from Tibet and so on.
The underlying principles remain 'similar', the practice methods will have
similarities and congruent kinds of training, but the end-goal may be
entirely different.
And different practitioners specialize in different activities- thus they
may be at odds only because they focus on different expressions of the
(material).

Where's the attempt to codify? I don't see any. And it seems to me
like it's because to codify something you might have create a set of
defining parameters, *whatever* that might mean. And with a set of
parameters, there might be people who didn't fit into them. Some might
even be outright frauds.

It sure looks to me like alot of people staring at the wall saying "I
won't poke at your CHI if you won't poke at mine."

From someone who has admitted that he doesn't understand the
scientific jarogn or it's processes, it seems more than a bit
overhanded for you to claim what a "hollow" scientific process is.

So pound sand.

Yeah, the answers are on the floor.

I've been pounding leather.

Why is that? The placebo effect is a well documented
phenomena. It's not used in a derogatory sense.

It's a catch-all term like 'malificent humours'.

You an alchemist now? You're not that old. You sure seem to know alot
about how and what terms are used in which sciences.

The reality is that it describes something happening in the mind/body that
we can tap in to- particularly in the area of pain-management, one would
surmise.
If all acupuncture could do would be to relieve pain, sign me the *** up.
If it fools me into getting well, sign me up.

It aint the acupuncture, it's the acupuncture needles that have the
magic.

'ancient stories obviously
told by people not as smart as we'

But "I know better because I know better" is cool thing to say.

Bull, you subject yourself to authority on a daily basis without
personal experience.

Not insofar as investigating startling skills/knowledge. It is not
sufficient for you to tell me anything- what's on the floor is the only
thing that counts.

And that's the dishonest part. Your criteria changes depending on what
you are investigating.

You're not interested in simple skepticism, you're interested in
simple obeisance.

I offer you nothing- no instruction, no sales, no opportunity.

I stole a few things from you then. You can't have them back.

You have nothing I want, and no motivation for me to offer you anything.
If I was gathering a cult, that might be different; but I'm not.
My primary motivation for discussing anything at all is simple boredom.

One might think that discussion, and clarification is a motivating
factor in itself. If we were to consider this a case of you knowing
something that I do not.

I know from personal experience, that when I discuss things and
explain things that I am knowledgable in, to other people, it helps me
develop further insight. Any instructor will tell you the same thing.
There are several sayings about this, usually along the lines of "You
do not truly understand a subject, until you try to teach it."

-Mike K.

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