Re: For Australia


"Rich" <rlancashire@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Kris (removethistoe-mail) wrote:

Who cares what *many* will think of the reasons?
I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but if it were me involved in
such
an altercation, I'd kindly tell everyone to go get fucked and take their
opinions with them. The only people that have to think it's worth
fighting
for are the two guys fighting.

Would you have brought your spat into the public arena in the first
place?

Nope. It's not really my way to invite this sort of public scrutiny to a
conflict. Everybody's different.


As far as the whole "words deserve words" thing, I don't buy it. Certain
words deserve physical reaction. When you cross the line of civility, you
give permission for the other person to react with violence.

Umm, "permission"? The point of violence is that it ignores permission.
Who needs permission to punch you in the face? What if you withhold it?
And if you mean general social permission - as a wise man once said,
"Who cares what *many* will think of the reasons?" ;)

I don't think so. Perhaps I should rephrase my original statement:
If you cross the line of civility, I will take it as leave for me to
escalate the situation into violence.
The type of permission I was refering to was more of a moral one for myself,
than a social one for my actions.


It's up to each
of us to determine where that line is: Call me a *** and I'll shrug it
off. Call my girlfriend a *** and get a pool cue across the head.

And if that person shrugs it off, smiles and then beats the *** out of
you, what then? You have to concede your girlfriend is a ***, and
anything else that person wants to say about you?

No I haven't. I've let the guy know that if he crosses that line, I will
respond with violence. If he pushes, that push will be returned. He now
knows that crossing that line with me will have reprocussions.
Now, he could take that as a sign to say whatever he wants, knowing that he
can beat me in a fight. But he'll also know he's not going to just walk over
me without a fight.

I say that beats your way, where he says whatever he wants and faces
absolutely no reprocussions for his actions because he knows you won't do
anything about it.


And what if someone decides that their personal line lies somewhere
around you saying their shoes aren't the shiniest you've ever seen, or
that they could have parked their car a bit better? Do they have your
'permission' to smack you with a pool cue?

I don't think we can apply general rules of gentlemanly conduct to
sociopaths.
From a purely evolutionary standpoint, those types of people worry me little
as they are few and far between and will be weeded out relatively quickly in
most cases.
There are things that one should not allow. If someone calls your wife a
filthy little bitch, you shouldn't let that stand. If someone goes ape***
on you for commenting on their parking, the you probably shouldn't allow
that either.
All I'm saying is that noone has the right to treat you like ***. Presuming
that you're minding your own and treating others with an acceptable level of
respect, then you deserve to have that respect reciprocated.

It's the Golden Rule dude. Treat others as you'd like to be treated. Do you
want to live in a world where that basic tenant is flaunted or respected?


I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best way to avoid getting
your ass kicked for talking ***, is to not talk ***.

By extension of your philosophy: the best way to avoid getting your ass
kicked for not doing exactly what big nasty guys tell you to, is to do
whatever they tell you.

Nope, the best way to keep others around you within the confines of a
civilized society is to conduct yourself in such a way as to maintain said
civility.
*The best way to keep things nice is to be nice.*
Of course, there are exceptions. I'm sure we all know guys who've been
jumped for no reason. Been clocked in the back of the noggin for no reason.
It happens, but in my experience it's awefully damned rare. Now it could be
argued that my world view is pretty narrow, but everyone's actions are (to a
certain degree) shaped by their surroundings.


The best reason not to talk *** is not because you're scared of
getting your ass kicked; it's because talking *** about people is
wrong.

Cue "Team America"
Hans Blix-"Let me see the rest of your palace or else"
Kim Jong-Il-"Or else what?"
Hans Blix-"Or else we will be very angry with you. And we will write you a
letter, telling you how angry we are."

Instinctual heard mentality and established social conventions are primary
in keeping civility. Reprocussions for those who choose to act outside of
these established confines must be enforced to maintain them.

I don't kill guys who cut me off in traffic for two reasons:
a) I don't want to live in a world where that kind of thing is commonplace.
(it's wrong)
b) It's not worth the consequences.(fear of reprocussions)

I'd say we're both right on that one.

At the end of the day, I don't care *what* your reasons are, as long as
you've got one. There are people (unlike you and me) who would do whatever
they wanted if you removed reason b) from the equation.


Cheers
Rich

Take care
Kris


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