Re: Evangelical professor tackles 'religious right'


suds mcduff wrote:
travisgod@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
-----This was the part of the thread in which the discussion was
centered on the popular election of officials who promote a "safety net"
and their popularity with the electorate, not economics. Most people
actually think helping the elderly and disabled is a noble, even Xtian
thing to do. *That's* why you assholes have to cloak your meanness in
double talk and "compassionate conservatism."

STFU, jeezus christ. All you wanna do is fucking argue against
strawmen.

The effing policy, as written, is UNSUSTAINABLE. Period. Jesus or
not.

----According to *my* SS statement, I'll receive the princely sum of
around $2300 a month, in 2026 (!), if I make it to 70. Yahoo, Cancun
here I come!

Perfect. I'm glad you cited that. Does it occur to you, even vaguely,
that the majority of people DO NOT EVEN EARN THAT IN A MONTH?

----IN 2026, DOUCHEBAG !!???


5.15 x 40 x 4 = $824

Keep in mind the young usually don't require thousands of dollars in
goods and services each month just to go on living and functioning.
Generally the older someone gets the more resources it takes to keep
them alive.


THOSE
are your SS payors, idiot!

---You're right. We should take more from the extremely wealthy.


That isn't what he said. Why should we take more from those who earned
it and give it to people who didn't earn it?


<snip>
----I'm sure the elderly bag "boys" at the grocery actually have huge
mansions, and only work menial jobs for the exercise and social contact.
My dad is laughing at you from his grave. Rich on SS payments? Ah Ha Ha Ha!
Yet, you wouldn't deign to limit the payments to the poor and mid class,
so your "wealth transfer" excuse is moot.

Can you fucking READ? RICHER <> RICH. The YOUNG who are PAYING are
even POORER than the old who are receiving! BETTER?

----Have you ever been outside your air conditioned office? When I
propose means testing for SS payment, you flatly refuse. The poor to
the rich bull*** for ending the program doesn't fly.


SS is a ponzi scheme. When it falls apart who are you going to blame?


----Sure it's true. You just want to lay it all on the Libs and Dems.
The same site says that the trustees estimate a shortfall of 3.7
trillion over the next 75 years with a Medicare shortfall of 8.1
trillion. Wow, that's a shitload of money! But look. Bush's taxbreaks
for the rich will cost us 11.6 trillion, and they want even more! The
Dept of Def goes into deficit almost every year! Where's your screamin
and foamin over the effects of tax cuts for the rich?

TAX CUTS DO NOT COST US A FUCKING THING.

----Taxbreaks for the rich will cost the Fed govt 11.6 trillion over the
next 75 yrs. If you don't consider the Fed govt "us" you'd be correct.


Why is it right to steal from the rich? When your policy kills our
economy who are you going to blame?


<snip>
-----Nah, it's right wingers that stride hand in hand with the fundie
fringe groups. Seculars are stunned and disgusted when these religious
nutjobs kill themselves and their followers whilst thumping the bible.

You are the one citing Jesus, you freaking deranged lunatic.

---Just to point out the hypocrisy of Repub toadying fundies, dope.


What hypocrisy?


----I'll take that as a "yes"

Listen, "suds," you pathetic moron...you can write "wheel them in the
street" as many times as you want and argue against it.

----It's yes, then.


Don't be such a Hal. If you can read then you know it is a no.


You haven't provided a solution, *except* cut their
funding. Show me where you suggested otherwise.


The fact that he knows the ponzi scheme is doomed to fall apart doesn't
mean he wants it to fall apart and your denial of reality doesn't make
you a nicer person. Let's just burry our heads in the sand and pretend
that we can sustain this and we will all be better people for it.
Right!!! Wake up to reality.


It doesn't MATTER what I want...what matters is what can be AFFORDED!

-----We can afford 11 trillion in tax cuts from the most wealthy?


Are you trying to kill our economy? Money doesn't grow on trees. When
there are no jobs left who are you going to blame?


----Wow. It's only our system of govt. Wow. Are you saying the founding
fathers were inept when they designed our representative democracy? Now,
we see who the traitor is, and it ain't FDR.

Are you ENTIRELY clueless? Yes, I think you are. The founding fathers
would have been COMPLETELY AGAINST this type of government.

----Representative democracy? Do tell.


Can you even read? He said socialist system.


What we
have now, a socialist system, had no PRECEDENT in the United States for
150 YEARS.
<snip>


<snip>
What will happen will happen anyway and that is the elimination or
severe curtailment of FDR's socialist dream because it is TOO
EXPENSIVE. And, you know what, "suds," it's gonna happen whether you
fucking like it or NOT.


----We'll see. The elderly will soon have a formidable voting block,
making SS even more of a political third rail.


But we can't pull goods and resources out of thin air. That is why SS
is doomed. When it goes bankrupt there is no saving it.


<snip>
In case you haven't NOTICED, I am neither a REPUBLICAN nor in favor of
Bush's medicare drug benefit.

-----Maybe, maybe not, but your views in this case are squarely in line
with the repub far right wing.


An idea might be correct even if it isn't popular.


<snip>
Most shoddy thinkers such as
you want that. It makes them smug in their stupid little narrowminded
cognitive dissonance.

----And your strawman of the rich, elderly SS recipients bankrupting the
country?


How is that a straw man? Trav put forward that idea.

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