Re: Tai Chi


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"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The ground is a powerful source of power.

Only if gravity is involved.

We're just going to have to assume gravity and space-time are working
OK.

The ground is not a source of power, unless you choose to change
definitions
around to suit your argument.

The ground is a source of force thou, limited only by the amount your
body can withstand and friction when you are moved.

No, the ground is a source of resistance to force. Are you even a tiny bit
familiar with Newton's Laws of Motion?

Imagine something
comes pushing you very hard but slowly and you must stay where you are.
You'll quickly notice weak points in your structure, which at least for
me were lower back (shear forces) and shoulders (unnecessary tension)
mostly. When you feel the weakpoints you readjust and that takes time
and thought.

This has nothing to do with anything.

The next thing you notice is if you can push slightly upwards, you
increase your weight

No, your weight doesn't increase.

and decrease their weight, this means more
friction for you, larger forces you can muster etc.
Basic physics, those who are not comfortable thinking in physics terms
will call this bullshit and quiche but basic physics is all that's
needed to describe it.

Friend, what you are saying shows how little physics you know.

Since you don't encounter such situations in training you're not aware
of all possibilities of increasing efficiency and quantity.

The power from the ground comes from YOUR ability to do work with the
forces you're able to produce with the ground. Everyone uses "power of
the ground" only degrees of efficiency and capability vary.

Watch a pole vaulter. They push off the ground with the pole. If there was
no ground, they couldn't move upwards. The force does not come from the
ground, it comes from the bound kinetic energy in the pole. The ground
offers the resistance that makes it work. To think otherwise is simply not
to understand some very simple principles.

Instead of "holding" the load on the
head, the porter simply allows the ground, through the skeleton, to
hold
the load.

What's the difference?

Actually, there's a lot of difference. Most people will hold/balance a
load on their head. It takes a little thought to let the ground under
your feet hold the load.

That's a matter of balance and practice and nothing more.

Yep, practice and balance, that's what taijiers do when they move
slowly around. But also conditioning. Porters use different muscles and
are developed differently than you are right now. They weighing 50kg
could carry you weighing 90kg (wild guess just for illustration
purposes) on their head, and you couldnt carry them on your head,
because your neck couldn't take it. Ok, if you head stand a lot, then
you could do it :)

I've no idea how much weight some people might carry around on their
heads....but it's not the ground that's generating the force.

GDS


To say that "the ground is the generating force" is a way of expressing
the way a "taijier" experiences the way he is using his body. It's
obviously not a scientific statement. You seem very rigid in wanting
to intellectalize this process before you'll "believe" in it.

Obviously the difference between Mike and you is that he has experience
with it that he is trying to relate to you in some terms, and you do
not agree with his terminology. If your agenda was something other
than disproving him and showing us how great your understanding of the
laws of physics were, you might come to some understanding of it. I am
only offering a suggestion. Put your ego aside for a bit and you might
have a chance.

-DaveK

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