Re: It's Jihad, not terrorism.... part 2

Mark Goldberg wrote:

So what was the thinking behind some of those want to be killers of infidels, beheaders of Prime Ministers, and the 'insurgent's against the government of Canada...

Well, here's one guy, who was arrested- in his words:

Mark


And the sidenote, about the police abuse, from the Candadian Newspapers- and note, it's in that rogue state- Canada- where get this,
part of the story, he was tortured in part, for *being ticklish*


Lawyers Allege Terror Suspects Being Tortured In Jail
Monday June 12, 2006
The terror case has taken another bizarre twist in a Brampton courthouse.

Lawyers for some of those accused emerged from the halls of justice on Monday morning claiming the Crown has asked for a publication ban on all events going on inside, so they can hide what's really happening behind the scenes - including what they refer to as the "torture" of some of the suspects.

Lawyer David Kolinsky represents 20-year-old Mississauga resident Zakaria Amara.

"He is being held in a concrete room, approximately 11 feet by 6 feet. A concrete door. There is no window in the room. There is a small slit that is opened when meals are placed in his room. The light is on 24 hours a day and actually as early as 30 years ago, the federal court trial division of Canada had noted and had accepted expert testimony that this type of treatment is known to cause depression and suicide and has held that this type of treatment is, in fact, cruel and unusual punishment, contrary to the Bill of Rights."

But he insists the treatment has gone farther than that - including beatings by a guard.

"My client when he was being searched by a guard, was pinned into the ground. He had the guard's finger drilled into his cheek and the guard flicked him quite hard in the eye .

"He told me on Friday, his thumbs are still numb from plastic restraints placed on his wrists at the time and he has not received proper medical attention in that respect...

"My client advised that as he was being searched, he was touched on the ribs and he is ticklish, and he giggled a bit and the guard held him on the ground and drilled his fingers in the cheek and said, 'is this funny?'"

Two other suspects, Mohammed Dirie and Yasim Abdi Mohamed, both making their first appearances after being detained in the Kingston Pen on other charges, stood up in court and declared that officers in the jail also tortured them.

But the judge ordered them to be quiet and let their lawyers speak for them.

The advocates also claim they're being denied proper access to the accused so they can plot a defence strategy.

"The conditions under which I am allowed to meet my clients completely and absolutely obliterate or prohibit ability to do any preparation either for the bail hearing or any other aspect of this case," insists Rocco Galati.

"As counsel, can you not sit down while the authorities are listening in to your conversation with your client. This is unheard of."

Galati wants a video feed of the proceedings made avaialable to the media, to end the circus and rumours outside the courtroom and to let the public hear what's really going on inside.

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