Re: Vegetarianism


Steve Perry wrote:
In article <1149466098.547909.255830@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Shuurai <Shuurai11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Some people draw the line at mammals, others at poultry, or fish, or
crustaceans. A shrimp probably doesn't have the same level of
consciousness as, say, a pig.

I just saw a thing on Discovery where they proved that a box jellyfish
can see and can react at least somewhat intelligently to visual
stimuli. A freaking BOX JELLYFISH fer crissakes! I mean hell, it's
essentually a ziplock bag with some strings hanging off the open end,
but it's conscious.

They even sleep.

Probably they don't taste very good, so it's a moot point.

That, and you die when you touch one... I wasn't suggesting you eat
them (or stop eating them) I just thought it was way freaking cool that
a box jellyfish can display consciousness.

Some years ago, there was a report about ultrasonics or somesuch that
said, in effect, that broccoli screams when you harvest it. By these
lights, the only thing you are allowed to eat are fruits and vegetables
that fall naturally off the tree or bush.

Yeah - I've seen a few things like that... veggies having reactions to
"pain" situations. Hell, if you're going that route, you ought to
consider that many veggies stay alive long after they're cut. If
you're eating raw broccoli, it's screaming the whole time.

Of course, as you munch these, you kill tens of thousands of harmless
bacteria minding their own business. At some point, it gets very silly
to keep extrapolating.

Heck, you're doing that every time you breathe.

There's a Latin phrase. "Mors tua, vita mia." Means, as I understand
it, "You die that I may live."

Sounds like a very Roman thing to say.

If you were on a plane that crashed in the Andes and there were dead
guys as a result and all you had to eat was their bodies or you'd die,
that's not the same moral choice as going out and killing one of your
neighbors because you have a sudden urge for long pig. Most people can
see the difference.

I can honestly say that I really don't think I could eat a person. Of
course, having never been crashed in the Andes it's hard to say for
sure... but I frankly can't even imagine being *that* hungry.

But as I said, everybody draws the line differently. Lotta folks eat
quarter-pounders at Mickey D's who wouldn't have a thumper-burger. (I
saw a fast-food joint once on an islant in Puget Sound where rabbits
were rampant that offered such an item for sale, thumper-burgers. Place
had gone out of business._

I'll eat either, but actually prefer thumper - wild rabbit is
delicious.

People who'd eat Bambi but not Ferdinand. Some for whom there are no
moral qualms for anything they can get a fork into. Their bidness, and
not mine.

Never tried dog - not something I plan on changing. It's really not a
"gross" thing - crashed in the Andes I wouldn't mind eating one too
much (though I'd rather see if the dog could help me hunt something
first).

For me, I can see sentience and emotions in dogs I haven't ever seen in
a jellyfish or even a chicken, so no dogs on the menu. No people, even
though, by and large, the more I learn about people, the brighter my
dogs look ...

My first dog was awesome... he would locate any family member by name.
Say "find dad" and he'd walk up to my father, etc. He would sit,
stay, fetch, all the usual ones. If he drank all his water he'd pick
up his bowl and set it down in front of you. He loved having his belly
scratched - he'd walk in front of you and lay down, all stretched out.
If you tried passing him (or even if you scratched and tried to stop)
he'd get up, put himself in front of you again, and lay down again. If
you really tried to resist, he'd jump up, lick you in the face, and try
laying down again.

I could never have eaten that dog. Someone elses dog, maybe - at least
in the Andes.

.

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