Re: Question for Silat Guys: Is This Good Silat?

"Steve Perry" <perry1966spamstopper@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
He didn't drive the crossburners out of the temple, either.

or the whores, adulterers, tax collectors and lawyers.

Block the door to God's house to keep people out because they were a
different color.

First Amendment right to freely associate is not restricted to just those
groups of whom one would approve.
All sorts of groups choose to associate only with others of like mind.

That was the day I stopped going. Churchianity and the hypocrites
killed any further desire in that direction.

Interesting-
dealing with eternity that way.

And we ain't learned from it, have we?

'we' who; pale stranger?

Every administration since Washington has claimed him as one of their
own.

Actually, the Treaty of Tripoli in 1806 specifically denies being a
christian nation.

(And every European kingdom before that did, too.)

they claimed vetting by the Roman Pontiff-

His Father is
on our money, in our pledge, and upfront at every high school football
game and swearing in, be it for office or in a court of law.

So is the all-seeing eye, the pyramid, symbols of the Tribe of Manassas of
the Israelites, and Latin mottos.

Our legal
codes are based on the Ten Commandments,

No they're not-
or remind me of the laws against blasphemy, swearing by the lord's name,
making graven images, failing to honor your parents, 'coveting'-

....and we are part and parcel
Judeo-Christian, no matter that there is no "official" state religion.

Yes; our signal virtue is that we tolerate diversity within our country.
That doesn't happen much of anywhere else.

Yeah, but we ain't invoking them to justify putting boots on the sand
and blood in the gutters. Pictures have become available; here in
silence, thirteen more ...

Sure we do- we invoke politicians, economists, ethicists and philosophers.

Sure- one of the promises of christianity is that you work it out between
you and god without intercessors.
Which hasn't seemed to help much.

helps me.
Christianity isn't about how other people handle their eternal life. It's
about how I handle it.
I don't care how others impement their spirituality into their lives except
as it touches mine.
Islam doesn't extend me that same respect, seeks to compel my participation
at the threat of death, and has only missed me so far as a matter of
geography.

Yeah- there are strong biblical references for the practice.
New Testament?

I think it must be NT because it's an attribute of the Faithful.

I don't recall the passages, either. I certainly don't
think it's red letter stuff.

There are no directives to go forth and conquer the world in His name,
exacting tribute, slaves, piles of heads and ransome-
you know; right now.

I'll have to dig out my copy of that Bible
-- I think my mother has it. She still teaches Sunday school at that
church I stopped going to.

My profound regards and respects to her.

And once again -- drumroll -- show me where Jesus the Christ said kill
anybody for anything. Let him without sin cast the first stone?

I come not to bring peace, but a sword- and if you don't have one, sell your
cloak and go get one.
'Peace' is not the tolerance of oppression.
It's the triumph of good over evil.

Kicking moneychangers out the temple isn't the same response, is it?

Depends on whether they fought back or not.
If they just fled before the lash, that's one thing- if they sicced their
bodyguards on Him, and He vanquished them without killing any- that's
another.

And there's just that one instance of righteousness; after that, He
mellows somewhat.

Yeah; late twenties or so.

Caesar's law says not to kill folks who haven't been convicted of a
capital crime, so where's the render unto here?

One renders 'that which is Caesar's'-
generally, I leave him everything he can steal.

The Commandment says
"Thou shalt not kill." Show me where it says you can mow down the M.D.s
no matter what they do.

High altitude bombing-
it's all in where you're standing when you kill them.
Kill one, it's a tragedy; kill hundreds, and it's a successful bombing raid.
The Commandment more likely translates as prohibiting unjustified killing.

Show me where it says you can kill anybody you want as long as you do
it in Jesus's name.

I think you're confusing it with the Qu'ran.

First, I don't think taboo status needs be reserved for doctors --

It's not- you're not supposed to kill priests, nuns, old folks, women or
girls, boys under 14, judges, juries, witnesses, crazy people, cripples, the
previously wounded, everybody standing around grinning-
you know, like that.

killing anybody just because your religion says its okay is wrong.
Illegal, immoral, and probably fattening.

Tell the muslims that-
You've got more Samoan gangsters in LA than all the KKK'ers in the world-
(abt. 6600 Samoan gangsters v. sub-3500 Kluckers).
and 160,000,000 muslim zealots by their own reckoning.

Second, no doctor I know ever took the Hippocratic Oath, and if it was
compulsory, it was before my time. It's never been realistic -- you
have to do harm all the time.

I don't think they relieved doctors of having to take the Oath until they
started dealing with immigrants and honoring non-western degrees and such.

Taking a baby whose mother will die if you don't?

Killing a baby conceived by a responsible adult in partnership with another
responsible adult as a matter of simple convenience?

Not at all. You ignore the slaves mined from Africa,

Yes- our greatest national shame is that we participated in the muslim slave
trade in prisoners of tribal wars between West Africans.

Manifest Destiny,

to fill the Big Empty with people endowed by their Creator with certain
inalienable rights.

world wars,

when attacked.

Christian persecution of Jews,

Everybody else's persecution of jews-
god bless'em buddy, they are a people apart and strangers everywhere they
go.

and on and on. Tell it to
the Apaches.

The Apaches didn't even like one another- there are about five tribes of
them, and the name itself means 'enemy'- just like the word 'navajo' means
'raider'.

To the Aboriginals of Australia.

that met convicts and overseers sent by people who squabbled amongst
themselves when they ran out of strangers to fight- from long before
christianity, and actually quite in spite of it.

To the Indians who fell
under the British heel during the glory days of the Raj.

Simply one external power supplanting another- ousting the muslims, by and
large. Further into SEAsia, it was over the tolerance for piratry on
commerce.

Understand, I'm not saying you shouldn't paste somebody who swings on
you -- but that Christians say you shouldn't. Jesus Himself said so.

No He didn't- the thing about tolerating a slap on the cheek is about not
taking insult easily to a killing level.
Jesus wasn't a sissy. Nothing about going out and being a doormat for any
passing yob. It's about having some tolerance, compassion, forgiveness and
forebearance instead of instant rage.

While a soft answer might turneth away wrath, a well-placed elbow is
much more effective.

yeah- and I am near enough to just have to whisper.

It's a big planet. Nobody died and left the U.S. in charge.

It's that christian thing about being responsible to go forth and tell the
Good News; about democracy, the rule of law, egalitarianism, civic
responsibility and the tolerance of one's odd neighbors.

I think it's a little early to make that call.

What could you possibly be comparing it to?
As wars go, this one has been excellent-

Front page of today's
paper shows a local soldier's mother in tears because he got killed
yesterday.

Well, yes- and in WWII, there were sometimes 7,000 a day for weeks at a
time.
A million and a half men casualty to the War Between States.
57,000 dead in SEAsia.

Offhand declarations of how well things are going don't mean
much to the families of those who lost somebody.

Of course they don't- and we grieve the loss of any of our people anywhere.
It is in the nature of good stewardship to lose as few men as possible.
The losses in this war have been minimal compared to just about any war
anywhere in history.

Especially if you
believe they didn't have to.

They didn't.
It's an all-volunteer force.

And for every U.S. trooper who died, there
are five wounded, and for every one of them, probably a hundred Iraqi
civilians killed or maimed.

Yes- people who would have died in any other war are now routinely saved.

It always costs more than they let on. You know that's true.

Sure; by any measure.

I wouldn't want to be taking a drive through Bagdad watching every
parked car or light pole for an improvised explosive device.

Certainly not under the present rules of engagement.

Not really, you don't. Bush says he's a Christian, you don't believe
him.

but I do about the 'ruthless prick' part-......

But you think some tinpot dictator is gonna storm the beaches at
Coney Island?

Far more likely to sail a container into the harbor that's filled with a
crude nuke- or a finished soviet one, or one from the north koreans-
or just ship it to Cincinnati

You can't fight a loon terrorist by knocking over the
strongman at the top.

not the only benefit from killing the strongman at the top-
I'm in favor of killing them all, and the top is as good a place to start as
any.
They became loony terrorists all by themselves, so it's not up to me to cure
them, placate them, bribe them, can't ignore them-
so; just kill them where you find them, and look really hard till you do.

People willing to die for a belief aren't
frightened by anything you can say.

Exactly-
the signal disconnect with most diplomats, do-gooders, social scientists and
cowards.

You could threaten to nuke Mecca
and it wouldn't slow 'em down.

Yeah- but again, that's not the only benefit from glowing the Rock, ya'know?

The War on Terror is unwinnable.

well, let's just win what little bit we can then.

Anybody
who thinks otherwise is living between Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and
Sleeping Beauty's castle.

Yes; Warrior's Idyll- you'll see the sign.

Put a chicken in every pot and a Volvo in every garage?

A better goal than conquering in the name of mohammed, pease beef upon'im.

Bet you see
things slack off a lot faster than trying to catch every loon willing
to blow himself up if he can take somebody with him.

Tell them that we will ritually desecrate any body with which we come in
contact- burial in a pigyard, wrapped in a diseased dog's skin, upside down.
Tell them we will ritually desecrate any mosque controlled by a congregation
of zealot suiciders- with their own dead.
After all, their superstitions mean nothing to we freethinkers, right?

Oh yeah; god likes colt automatics- for revolvers, He's probably more of
a
Smith man. and pump shotguns; everybody likes pump shotguns.
He'd be a revolver guy -- wouldn't want to keep having to do miracles
to keep the semi-auto from jamming and stove-piping.

No; that's why He likes *Colt's* automatic pistols.
Mr. Browning is the only reason I suspect He may like Mormons too.

Chas


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