Re: Question for Silat Guys: Is This Good Silat?

"Steve Perry" <perry1966spamstopper@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
But the guy sitting in his house drinking a beer and watching the
fireflies and not out with the mob isn't culpable for the lynching,
even if he goes to the same church on Sunday.

He is if the service is being held by the chief lyncher; the choir is
lynchers, the sermon is about the celestial rewards of lynching, the reading
is about how lynching is the prophet's directive, the history is about the
Original Lyncher's lynchings against the non-lynchers, they take up a
collection for lynching, operate a school for lynchers, send lynchers into
the community to proselytize new lynchers-
the analogy grows tiresome <g>

When I was a boy, my church -- plain vanilla Methodist -- had several
regular attendees who were members of the Ku Klux Klan. Sunday
Christians, which happens to be what a lot of folks are.

Sure- and did the preacher justify the Klan, glorify the Klan, recruit for
the Klan....?

That "on the other hand" puts you on a slipery slope.

It is in the nature of life to be on a slippery slope.

Where you want to
draw the line on this group membership? Christians? Muslims? White
guys? Americans?

Right now, I'd be satisfied with 'self-identified enemies'.
Yeah; really- that'd be sufficient for me.

As you pointed out, different sects go for different
interpretations -- Arabs are not Indonesians are not Sufis from Ohio.

Yup-
The thing is, if you're not a target, make it plain.
And, by the way- the only guy you can negotiate with is the one from Ohio,
maybe.

Nope. Too broad a net. That swastika might be an old Indian yoga sign

You better be wearing a dhoti and turban if you don't want to pull some ***
in Skokie.
History is history, mate.

Precisely. So why is our supposedly devoutly-Christian President
pointing our armies at the Iraqis? And next the Iranis?

Oh Dawg!
Bush was what he was long before anything Christian-
don't you remember his brother, Neil? His dad the Spymaster? his triumphs in
private industry- he lost money in the **oil business**.

How you figure
Manifest Destiny goes together with what Jesus was offering the world?

What makes you think that Jesus was part of the administration?

I have no problem relating to what Christ had to say. But what was
before and what sprang up afterward leaves much to be desired.

Same thing said for Nietze, Plato, or Confutze.

What McVeigh was or wasn't, he came out of the Christian right,

Not in the least.
That's a connection detractors have tried to make, but it simply isn't true.
Even the 'Christian Identity' nutbars wouldn't have anything to do with him-
and he approached them as a 'soldier' rather than a 'believer' in any case.

wherein
you have guys saying American soliders deserve to die because of movies
like Brokeback Mountain.

Muslims have always said that-
and the degeneracy of the media is a pretty common thread amongst people of
character.
Cowboys were *really* pissed- mostly that the fags weren't identified as
sheepherders.

Or that God is gonna send some more hurricanes
because women wear their skirts too short.

Those are cartoon characters.

There are nine-and-sixty ways of interpreting the Gospel, and hordes of
followers in each of them.

Sure- one of the promises of christianity is that you work it out between
you and god without intercessors.

Poison-eating and snake-kissing were not on
the Savior's to-do list as I recall.

Yeah- there are strong biblical references for the practice. The whole
reason they do it is to satisfy that direction. Presently the verses escape
me, but it has to do with believers being able to 'take up serpents' and
'nothing being poison' to them, ims.

Neither was killing doctors or
starting wars, all of which get done with depressing regularity in
Christ's Name.

The don't 'kill doctors', they 'kill murderers'- a signal distinction if one
considers abortion to be an abhorrant practice.
It's my opinion that doctors abdicated their taboo status when they made
taking the Hippocratic Oath voluntary rather than compulsory.
'First, do no harm' served them for centuries.
And 'starting wars' is not the same as 'ending despotic regimes'. The war is
already going on, and the populace is losing.

Would Christ approve? I don't think so. Prince of Peace doesn't go real
well with kill-'em-all-God-will-know-his-own.

I don't quite agree with that interpretation- Yeshua wasn't a sissy; he
didn't take *** from oppressors/opportunists; didn't hesitate to take a
strap to them and advised that one be a good neighbor, hoping for the same
in reciprocity.

A terrorist blows up a building, that isn't justified in the Koran any
more than it is the Bible -- it is the loon's mis-interpretation of the
Book. I don't think Allah has any more use for murderers than Yaweh.

Then you're simply misinformed, buddy.
Mohammed was a bandit chieftain. His whole religion is built on the concept
of conquest by any means. The entire compulsion is in the most basic tenets;
Submit, and Recite the oath of allegiance.
Submit is not a choice- the only choice is whether you do it volunarily
before they make you do it by compulsion of the sword.

Christ is fine. Christianity as practiced (and sometimes perverted)
leaves much to be desired, whichever flavor you pick. As many people
have been killed by the Christian sword as they have been the Muslim
blade.

Hogwash-
You ignore their whole conquering to the East; into Africa and into China.
get real.

......You don't get to
claim moral superiority, much less spiritual superiority when
"Christian" nations do things like, say, the Holocaust, or what Bush
did in Iraq.

As outrageous as the Holocaust was, it pales next the war that went on
without knowing about it- or the purges afterwards in the Soviet Union, or
in China, the wars in India, SEAsia-
c'mon; the only reason we're embarrassed about it is that we did it, rather
than in any comparison against the rest of the world.

And not only violating the basic intiation-of-force code,
doing it badly. Anybody with at least half a brain knows you can't win
a war in that part of the world, and certainly not with an occupying
army from halfway around the globe.

Sure you can- you just can't satisfy Mrs. Grundy watching it on tv.
You want a 'submission', don't you? You want them to see the folly of their
ways, call off the civil war and live like good Christians, don't you?

Create a democracy, soon as you are gone, one group votes itself into
power and bam! start over from scratch. You'd think POTUS with all his
smart advisors would be able to see that. Either they can't and they
are idiots; or they can, and they don't give a crap, because they have
other things in mind.

This is the most successful war in the history of mankind; fewest casualties
on all sides, best popular support by the 25,000,000 citizens of a liberated
country; fastest recovery from the ravages of war-
wonderful war.

Guy takes a swing at you, you can deck him. You see a guy coming in
your direction and you have a pretty good idea he is going to take a
swing at you, you can throw the first punch. Guy is in his house across
town and you think that *maybe* someday he might take a swing at you,
but you don't know? In my morality, you don't get to boot his door down
and shoot him in the head.

Ah; well- there's the difference, isn't it?
I put far more credence in my fellowman than you do.
You see, when you threaten me, I believe you.
Being a huge viking fighter of unquestioned skill is what already garners my
attention- the fact that I may have a bit of time before your threat comes
to fruition may be the only thing that keeps me alive.
You know, hence the ax.

Jesus might drive a Ford pick-up truck, but I don't think he'd carry a
.45 slabside.

Oh yeah; god likes colt automatics- for revolvers, He's probably more of a
Smith man.
and pump shotguns; everybody likes pump shotguns.
--
Chas
It's Fighting, not Folkdancing!
http://www.jacksandsaps.com/
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