Re: Newt Gingrich urges Iraq pullback

suds mcduff wrote:
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The point still stands. Private schools around
*here* start at about 2K. If I had, oh *half* of that 10K, I'd be able to
afford one of the *better*.
As you see, the highest expenditures are in inner city/metropolis areas,
where expenses are much higher than suburban and rural districts.I doubt
that if all the inner city kids converged on your private school with an
8k voucher, that the private school would be much better. The private
school would simply raise their tuition, unless forbidden by federal
law, then your private school has just become a public one.

At 4 times the normal rate chances are that someone would fill that
nitch.

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------Sure. And if I had my police tax money, I could arm myself quite well.
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----Pretty much the same thing, though. You want local, state, and
federal tax money earmarked for education to be dispensed to the
students to use how they please. If you give me the local, state, and
fed taxes collected for police protection, I could do a better job

No you could not. The police do not protect - they capture criminals
after the fact. If you tried to do this yourself it would be
vigilantism. Despite the flaws our justice system may have an innocent
man has a better chance there then if he were facing a lynch mob.

However there are thousands of parents who think public schools are
doing such a bad job that they choose to home school their kids and
they have to fund themselves.


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. . . I thought that was one of the great
features of this country, that even the poor have a right to an education.


Having a right to something is not the same as being forced into it.


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----I know this from personal involvement in construction. It happens
everywhere the licensed trades are de-licensed.
----I haven't belonged to a real union in over 20 yrs.
----You may want to peruse this conversation in a teacher's forum, and
you will see that teacher's in private schools make less, sometimes
substantially less.That's one way for-profit schools save money.

So when we change the laws to empower parents to improve their child's
education we also ensure that these parents are informed by law about
the qualifications of teachers. Problem solved.



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Students who refused to learn would simply not go

----Where *would* they go? A "holding facility"?


Public school. Why must the education of everyone else suffer for the
sake of those who do not want to learn? They are just going to pick on
the ones who do. Why not allow motivated parents and students improve
their chances?


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---Well, sure public schools could get better results if they could
cherry pick their students.Full circle.


Why not?


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----The ones in the schools are the "good" ones, not yet committed to
crime.It's *your* job to gain their respect and thus you can begin to
teach and produce good citizens.Add the fact that you're from a
"repressive race" (to them), and you can see you have your job cut out
for you.
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----It's *your* job to motivate them. It's called teaching.

Our public schools are failing at the job. How bad does it have to get
before it is time to try something new?


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If the student is going to shank you or cap you then GET THEM OUT. Crap,
we don't stand for that sort of behavior ANYWHERE else. Not in business,
not at McDonalds, not at the mall, not even in PRISON. This artificial,
"we must educate every child regardless of whether or not they'll stand
for it" is utter garbage.
---It's also state mandated.You'll have to amend the constitution in
this state to avoid the "every child" clause.

We manage to make rules that result in six year olds being suspended
for sexual harassment and punish students who pass life saving
medication to someone having asthma attack. Why can't we make rules
that do some good like keeping would be killers out of public school?

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----There are many, many, instances of "bad" kids lives being turned
around by a good teacher. Unless you believe them to be liberal myths.


Sure it happens. But is it our goal to offer the least effective
public education of any industrialized nation? We seem to be headed in
that direction.


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----You've yet to offer a solution other than "Throw them out!" To
where?

Public school.

I don't know if you've noticed, but the factory jobs available
for the marginally educated don't exist anymore.Jobs pumping gas and
digging ditches don't exist anymore. In my region, you have to be
bilingual to get an entry level job in retail *or* construction, unless
you have a great hook up.


Natural selection works on humans as well. We can either continue to
educate most of our population for Industrial Age factory work that
does not exist any more or we can change our education system.


"Move them elsewhere." Where? Who'll pay for it?


Have you considered that public schools might do better with high risk
students if these schools were smaller and more specialized? At 8k per
head some new private schools might pop up to fill that nitch. What we
are doing now is not working. How much must everyone suffer for the
sake of those who won't let anyone help them?


Regards,

-Eric

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