Re: review this street fight video

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:14:27 -0700, "Chas" <chasclements@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>"Badger_s" <Badger_s@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
>>>A dozen rules to exclude their fighting principles.
>> What are the principlies that are excluded?
>
>Don't be disingenuous- it's been worked to death a dozen times already.

I'm not. I'm asking you what "WC principles". An eye strike is not a
'principle'.

>>>It's not 'no holds barred' at all.
>> They may not be able to win with excluded eye pokes but should WC be
>> horribly crushed without them? If it was a valid system it should at least
>> be able to place.
>
>It's as easy for 'wc' to co-opt all striking victories as it is for 'nhb' to
>co-opt all others.
>
>> It's an attribute-based system in which the practitioners have failed to
>> train attributes. Thus it fails.
>
>no; thus *they* fail.
>I would have to agree that most 'wc' (or other) arts that depend on
>conditioning are generally represented by un-conditioned practitioners.
>I've seen my teachers give 12 hours a day to practice- for decades at a
>time. I've never met that standard- and I've never seen any other westerner
>meet that standard.

First be a 'phenom', eh?

>Thus, the art doesn't fail- the practitioners fail.
>And one of the reasons for it is the painful road to conditioning- the
>specialization is virtually useless if you're not actually a warrior.
>
>> A WC player has to have very rare speed
>> and durability to even begain to work their system. In addition it's a
>> 'jealous' system in which masters take pains to hide and not share their
>> best stuff for fear their students will best them. Not a good idea in any
>> art (hint, hint). ;-)
>
>Yeah; cultural stuff is a bitch.
>The reason for secrecy in their culture is that they actually used it for
>combat, and it's never a good idea to expose yourself to your enemy.

I'm talking about exposing all to your students. Each generation the art is
watered down to the point where it's hardly recognizable.

>Much of what they train for is instant proaction- a principle negated by
>formalities. Seizing every vulnerable aspect is an art unto itself.

I don't think WC does this. It is a specific system that postulates a
specific 'body structure' and has moves 'too deadly' to spar. Thus they
never actually spar/fight/roll. If you're not doing this you're going to be
cr*p; pure and simple.

>I was the first 'guru' in our style to be extended permission/approval to
>teach everything I know all the time. That adjustment to our culture took
>twenty years that I know of-

Maybe that's because your master instructor felt you didn't have anything
that was worth keeping secret? Not trying to be snippy here, btw. In some
ways I think he left out several of the silat delivery systems, but taught
you via 'demos'. That way you move to a position relative to the opponent
but don't -really- know how to get that position. (I'm working on a short
essay that details this).

-B

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>Chas
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