Re: The Fuhrer Principle

"Badger North" <young_forest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> Oh please. Find me a reference to these non-Christian ID'ists.

It's in every discription of the concept- it's the entire reason that it's
not called Christian Creationism and Proselytising.
the only objection is Constitutional- the only legally relevant one anyway.
The only Constitutional objection is whether it 'establishes' a *particular*
religion, not whether it discusses 'God'. God is deemed 'self-evident' in
our Declaration of Independence.

>>The only reason for keeping it out is ideological, not 'scientific'.
> So you're saying ID is scientific?

Couldn't be- Science declines to address the question at all.

>>'Science' chooses not to address the question of Origin at all.
> Hey? Only if by "chooses not to address the question of Origin at
> all" you mean "is an area of intense research."

'Address' in terms of making a definitive statement as to the question of
the genesis of the Event.
'Intense research' is what we're all doing, bud.

>>Yes; the fact that you don't think that 'religion' is the answer doesn't
>>deal with the question at all.
> Doesn't matter whether I think religion is the answer. Religion
> doesn't belong in a science class, science doesn't belong in a
> religion class.

poop.
Nothing about 'science' clashes with the concept of God- in fact, Science
declines to address the question at all, and religion has no inherent denial
of anything that science discovers.
The exercise of the Roman Church several hundred years ago wasn't even an
expression of common christianity- nothing in the Bible that says 'Wipe Out
Heretics'- that was a political question- and you'll notice the Empire
survives.
ID doesn't have a creation story.

> Once again, ID is creationism, thinly veiled.

Of course ID is 'creationism'- except as creationism manifests as telling a
particular story. If you tell the American Indian story, it's probably
'religion'; same with the Jewish story, or the Asateru story, or the one
about the great turtle.
And, ID has existed parallel to the various religious stories- the 'Great
Mechanic', or the 'Great Clockmaker' kinds of concepts have been around a
very long time, and have nothing to do with Genesis(tm).
Hell, Genesis doesn't even conflict with 'evolution'- the nitnats touting
seven twenty-four hour days for creation some six thousand years ago
notwithstanding.

Chas


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