Re: One Inch Punch

>Wallen, I appreciate it.. but If you havnt done it, its very hard
>to fully understand
i wont talk of it if i did not understand it nor have done it. the last
time ive done it was years ago but i still remember the pain it caused
when i tried it on a carnival booth that supposedly registers how hard
one can punch. i almost broke my knuckles because i hit the metal bar
inside thru the thick foam before it had a chance to move back.

>While its true, you will have a much harder time to create an explosive
>punch with a round punch.. it can be done. The generated force might not
>be as good as powerfull because of the positioning, but it still will
>be better than a standard round hook
there is no such thing as standard roundhook. many style do their own
way, but there is the proper one and there is the lousy one.

>That is because neither of those examples are correct. We are talking
>about what happend INSIDE the object, Not how far they travel. We are
>changing the energy so that it explodes internally, rahter than just go in
>one direction thru the target. So, the energy will do massive damage in
>one internal spot instead.
physics dictates an action and reaction law. so how can you change a
force direction by stopping the object that causes the reaction?
simple. you cannot. if you want it to explode to a different directions
inside the body, then you need exploding/fragmenting hands.
the damage you are talking about is still linear to the path of the
attack and happens because of the speed and power you have generated by
doing a perfect punch. no more, no less.

>If you hit something and tighten all the muscles at that moment.. you
>have basically stopped yourself and changed your mass and movment into pure
>shockwave energy.. instead of just more momentum
first let us define shockwave. it is the front of a force created by
incompresibility of normally compressible object, which happens in 1.
explosions, 2 supersonic flight etc.
now, how will there be a shockwave if there is no force behind it? if
the jet suddenly stop, will the shockwave continue out in front of it?
no it will not. it will dissipate away same as the shockwave of an
explosion that turns into a suction when the hot gasses goes up and
reverses the initial force.
meaning, for the shockwave to be continually produced, you need some
force behind it. that is the follow thru of a punch. BUT... the hand
can go only so much so you have to stop somewhere. normally, it is only
possible to hit an oponent to a dept of 6 inches and it is enought if
you caught him perfectly, otherwise hed roll with it. AND... in the
case of the inch puch, you are so close to the oponent that it is
possible to go in deeper.

>A simular thing takes place with the hanging bag that I filled with metal
>BB's. If you hit it slowly, the bbs will conform arroud your fists. Hit
>it very fast, and they have no time to move, thus form a solid steel
>object.
and i have no objection here.

>The difference here... is that if you didnt lock your muscles
>on impact, it would be very hard to have enough speed to make the bag react
>like that.
you lock you muscles to make your own hand (or including the body if
you do it that way) a solid object so the the mass of the whole hand
will be as one, attacking a single point. if you dont lock, the hand
will be like a spring absobing much of what you want to deliver.

>Also, since the bag will swing it you move it.. you would be
>accelerating the bag, and your fist will be decelerating. The point where
>the force is, changes.. becomes weaker and more diffused.
either way at impact, there will be an acceleration. but if you punch
slow(push) the acceleration will be more pronounced and felt as
resistance, whereas if you punch really fast, it will hit hard and then
pushed out as that force is absorbed by the object that you hit. but if
you hit fast and stop, you will feel the hit and there will be
no(little) acceleration but also less transfer of energy to the object
that you hit.

>And, most importantly if you are still moving.. that means that your
>entire body has not locked as 'one piece', and not fully grounded. If that
>is so, then you are not transfering your entire mass into the strike
if you lock yourself into one piece, you will not transfer anything.
only the hands, body and hips can be locked. the feet moves the mass to
the target AND push on or follows thru. if you dont believe me, go and
video yourself. if you want to lock your whole self, you have to be
doing a flying kick or puch to hit your target.
>Solid like a cue
>ball.. will only transfer power rahter than a soccor ball which will
>have some absorbtion to it.
it rolls to the target, if you lock up solid you will not be able to
move.as for the soccer ball, if you follow thru, the moment it expands
again, it will push away from your kick adding momentum to itself.

>I will repeat though.. you have to stop the body at the intended point
>where you want the energy. If you stopped the fist right on the surface of
>the stomache... it wouldnt do much. Just a red spot maybe. Instead, you
>want the fist to go as deep into the material as possible, then tighten.
>That way, the damage is done deeper into the stomache - for example.
i have nothing against this as long as you include deep as possible,
only we have different reason for tightening and stopping at the
intended point

>The head is hard.. so you can not really dive deep into it. You can
>however time it so that the neck will bend back a little first - so that
>it cant absorb as much force when you snap.
i think we have a different understanding of diving thru like water. to
me it means not how far the hand can go thru the head but how much you
should move the head or any particular target. i always hit 6 inches
deep or more if possible.

>It also depends on the targets condition. If they are loose.. you will
>have to dive deeper to make the material as condensed as possible. If they
>are tightened.. then you cant drive as deep, thus snap shallower.
a loose target should not be hit at all. it will make you over-reach
and expose yourself.
a tight target have to be hit more solidly to create damage. if you are
sparring and you failed to block, you tighten the muscle where the hit
is going to protect the organs inside.at the same time you go with the
force.
It seem to me that you dont free spar. if you do, youll know of this
effect.


> A hook would leave you in poor
>position - esp if you missed. A hook/swing can jepordize your ballance.
>And, if you follow thru with punch, you may be outstretched (arm) as well
>as a wide stance... which again, can lead to exploitable weaknesses.
Only if you do a lousy application of techniques.

>In your example, you are stopping on purpose.. but, you are not stopping
>the same way I describe. You are just Moving into the material and quickly
>pulling out. Instead, I am not stopping. Im tightening and transfering
>energy. Its very different.
yes im stopping on purpose but no, im not pulling out. i merely relax
and allow my extremeties to recoil back on its own after the energy
transfer or a miss, preparing to attack again or deffend as the case
may be.
and yes i also tighten just before impact to transfer more energy.

>Heh, funny. Wallen.. Ive used the punch in combat. The tighten only
>last a fraction of a second. You will have No problems with a counter
>attack.
sory but i dont see anything funny about hitting somebody, even without
knocking them cold.
if it works for you, then well and good. its just the the inch punch is
more of a training aide for me than a tool for combat.

>Firstly, You never tighten until youve made impact.
Just before or you will be late.

>That alone keeps you
>able to chance 'on the fly'. If the target moved, you just change and move
>with it. Once you touch, you snap, and recover instantly. Its as fast as
a blink.
no you cannot do this. it take almost a quarter of a second to react.

> However, the target that got hit, isnt going to be well. They
>will be stunnned, unable to return fire for a moment - If - they arnt KO'd,
>on the ground in pain, or dead.
If you hit him perfectly yes.if you dont, better be ready for what is
going to happen next.


>Explosive force does not have to be done from only 1" away. It does not
>require a setup time - like in the demo. Its instant whenever you want to
>use it.
>You can even use it with finger strikes.. or any other type of strike.
>The principle also applies to kicks.
this is what i mean when when i said the inch punch is a tool for
training, not a combat technique. we are talking about the inch punch
here not the application.

wallen

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