Re: Sticky hands vs. hard style one-steps


> I guess T will have to chirp in on this one. You may be confusing
> 'emotional sensitivity' with contact reflex sensitivity. That would be
> independent of gender and based on experience, don't you think?

hah. No, not emotional :P (but remember that some guys are more
emotional and some girls are more manly - so emotion in that case is
not gender spacific ;)

I believe Females are genrally more acute in thier sensativity. This goes
from sense of smell, to hearing better, to touch. If Im wrong in that,
I do know for sure that a weaker person has to learn very quickly how
to deal with thing in a different manor than muscular people. The weaker
you are, its probably even more true.

> You may be picturing 'small = speedy' like speedy gonzalez versus a
> big ponderous elephant. Because of testosterone, most of the time,
> males are faster than females,though with things that involve fine
> motor control, females can be very fast. Violinists, shooting hand
> guns, maybe even video gaming? T would probably have some good refs on
> this. > Part of the problem is you have seriously misunderstood the
ground
> game, though it's not easy to understand until you do it. I think
> you'd really enjoy it, doing gi-based sport bjj with a friendly club.

I dont like to be choked, nor have a man on top of me. :P :) If I was
getting into comps I would force myself to add it in.. but I think my
great days of the arts are basically over.

>> To me, the ground game seems much more dangerous. Ive tried to
>>play with my larger freind on the ground. It was like a 50/50
>>deal. Sometimes Id win cause I was faster, sometimes Id lose cause
>>I wasnt powerfull enough and got pinned badly. (lacking ground
>>knowledge didnt help either)
>
> When you played with your large friend, what positions did you take.
> What did you try to do? How would you 'win'. Just trying to get a
> picture. Did you start out on top?

Ohh man, thats way too far back to remember. I have a hard time
remembering what I had to eat 2 days ago ;) All I know is that
his weight ended up tackling me to the ground a lot untill I got better
with my hands and footworks. Once tackled, I began trying to get
free of his weight and wiggle my way out. I got a choke on the neck a
few times on him. But other than that, there was nothing I can remember
clearly, as I knew no trained technique or terms..ect.

>> Another thought.. that If they do in fact Pin the big guy.. what
>> next?
>
> No, that's an unlikely strategy. Basic two moves are triangle choke
> with the legs and hips, or armbar with the arms, legs and hips.

I do not know enough about these to make much of a comment. Looking
at a triangle choke pic, I see legs wrapped arround the head. Me wonders
what happens if the guy bites the leg, or elsewhere?!
>
> When you are in a triangle position and have locked it down, soon you
> are in a perfect position to punch. Why? Well in about 10-30 seconds
> the guy is unconscious. ;-)

Ahh, but she could have punched just as he started to put his hands
on her shoulder and not had to get her clothes dirty. Is there not a
danger of killing a person thru suffication? Would hate to have to
resesitate the attacker. Anyway, obviously no need to punch if hes out
to lunch.

Getting a lock may be the trouble. Its risky just like anything else.
Heck, a man may actually try to hit the woman first. If shes got no
blocking skill.. she may be in trouble right off the bat. These assaults
may be a suprise as well.. so that could be a huge factor in what happens.

>> Anyway, I do not feel Im swaying a woman in the wrong direction.
>
> I'm not saying you are. Just that it's good to be circumspect. If
> you're going to advertize WC as an art for weaker smaller people, I'd
> think you'd want to have personal evidence. It's tempting to theorize
> - many people presented the same arguments you did back in the 80s. It
> was not well known that certain key aspects of fighting might be
> missing from many people's game.

I understand. But like I said, I was basically a skinny boney weak
guy... so handling a much larger opponent with ease (with much practice
and much painfull learning process of course) should relate almost
identically.


> This makes no sense on the surface. Karate/TKD - kicks. Women legs
> strong. WC, punches - women arms weak. Wrestling - good for both men
> and women.


Opps, well what I meant was that I feel as TKD lacks the real fighting
ability that WC has. Its not good at close range. Its punches and
blocks are too slow and basic... and just arnt enough. Its too limited
as a sport art - unless youve trained otherwise (low kicks..ect).

Its kicks are good.. but once youve gotten close to them, or if they
are backed against a wall.. forget it, they are in trouble.

WC's low stomp kick can be used very easily by a woman, is faster,
safer (cant grab it), and more effective than most other kicks (attacker
cant fight well if he cant stand cause hes crying while grasping the
injury).

A womans punch can be strong.. but there are more dangerous are things
like a fast 'biu gee' (finger strike) to the eyes, or a chop to the adams
apple.. both of which are lightning fast to preform. Upward Palm to the
nose is nice too :)


> I think you are intuiting that in Karate and TKD many women lack a
> delivery system for their kicks. They have problems striking another
> person, perhaps (as do men), or maybe technically they lack KO power.

Ohh no. I think they are excellent kickers.

>
> But consider this. Take a 120lb female. Put her astride a 140lb male,
> in high mount, maybe kneeling on one of his arms. She is now able to
> punch him in the face, head and neck. Can you tell me a -more-
> superior position in which to launch strikes?

Before he has a change to blink ; ) But I understand your point too.
If hes larger, she may be in trouble. Even at 140, that guy may be able
to shake her loose by bucking with the legs. If shes not a good striker,
she may never knock him out or do much damage except her own hand. He may
grab her arm and maybe bite it or something...Maybe he grabs her shirt
opening and whips her weight so she is thrown. Maybe he grabs her neck
and no matter her hitting him.. he squeezes the neck so hard as to cause
damage. You said only one arm pinned... so I can only guess if Ive
pictured this correctly.. but it doesnt sound as good as a triangle..


The length of the torso
> and the pinning of the male's arm prevents an untrained person from
> striking back. Don't even need to worry about getting past the forward
> gate, or penetrate the initial block, or bridge the gap. You're right
> there.

If your arm pinning his arm, you must be closer to the front of the
body. If your legs are short.. and weight is more forward because to
reach him with your shorter arms you have to lean forward..you may be
able to be bucked from the hips and legs of the (no so) pinned person.

> Now, how do you get the female in that position? A trip, throw,
> takedown, will do it.
>
> But what if that's not possible. So she grabs the guy and pulls him
> over on top of her, locks her legs around his waist and then from
> there is using her two legs and two arms against his two arms. Four
> against two, plus the element of surprise - she could get a triangle
> locked before the guy knew what was happening.

Maybe.. but he could drop suddenly on purpose, maybe injure her back. Maybe
on the fall down he extends his hands to her body so that he does impact
damage to her. Maybe she and him fall.. but her back lands on a small
rock, or her head hits a concrete or other object. I dunno.. Im just
thinking its not so friendly outside... esp for landing on the ground.

I took a spill off a mat onto a concrete floor when I collided with a
capoerra guy. My hip took the impact. After than, I was hadly able to
move my leg because of searing pain. I think I chipped the hip bone.


>> btw - I have seen a nice eagle claw girl (training video) in action
>>though.. and she was one tough cookie : ) You could hear, and even
>>'see' her power generation. Gota love a tough martial arts girl : )
>
> What did she do that showed power generation? Did she KO her opponent,
> or did she hit an inanimate object; or worse yet, air? ;-) Popping gi
> or hitting a bag is nice. But you have to deliver the weapon to the
> target - the hardest part, eh?

Well, she was striking air, iron palm bags, her student..ect. : )
Ahh, but thats the best part about WC. Easier to deliver the strike
and safer than most arts too. At least, thats been my experiences.

.

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