Re: cool joe lewis interview.....discusses jkd, bruce, etc......

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:57:56 -0400, Badger North
<young_forest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:50:58 -0400, Badger_S<Badger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:48:10 -0400, Badger North
>><young_forest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>On 30 Sep 2005 08:13:05 -0700, "scottsummers"
>>><scottsummers83@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.mikemiles.com/lewis.html
>>>
>>>That is pretty cool. My first sifu told me about the Lewis/Slocki
>>>matchup in the early 70's, and I had always wondered about just how
>>>accurate the story was. Turns out, pretty accurate overall.
>>>
>>>Badger Jones
>>>www.youngforest.ca
>>>" One may have a thought and not say it.
>>>This does not make me insular, it
>>>merely separates me from you and that
>>>mad woman who's always shouting at the
>>>pigeons outside the supermarket."
>>
>>I've seen a few of his workout tapes and they seem very good. His insights
>>on BL are also on target, imo. He still has some old ideas such as biting
>>his way out of a grappler's technique, but I think he'd probably admit in
>>person that this wouldn't work reliably. (As Roy Harris says, most
>>grapplers have faced guys in seminars and on the mat who despite being OK
>>grapplers have tried scratching, biting or going for eye gouges, and they
>>are adept at dealing with this stuff.)
>
>We had two guys on the mat once, and one says "I could gouge your eyes
>out from here".
>
>"Okay," says his partner, "go ahead and try."
>
>So, a few unsuccessful eyegouges and a few forehead scratches later...

Don't get me wrong. Those things can work in a limited way, it's just that
due to the ability that grapplers have to close off those lines and control
you those things are not going to do much. In addition, who is going to be
better at biting you than the grappler who has you tied up. Plus I'm not
sanguine about the result of biting someone who can choke you out and then
do as they wish to your unconscious body. ;-)

>>The only negative, imo, is that when he fought he juiced heavily (I think
>>he admits this).
>
>I wouldn't hold this against him. Plenty of people did it when there
>wasn't much information out there, and I think a lot of them just
>considered it one more tool in the box.

Uh, not really holding it against him. I think as time went by he actually
became a smarter fighter. His ability, I think is over-rated (and
over-rated himself) because at the time he was juicing and his opponents,
largely, were not. He was among the first of the karate guys to hang out
with the bodybuilders in California and thus was exposed to the chemical
scene.

>>I think he also admits at times that he's not the sharpest knife in the
>>drawer, and says half the time he couldn't follow what BL was trying to
>>teach him. He did retain a fair amount, though, from what I've seen. ;-)
>
>Probably BLee's thick thick accent :-)

Heh, actually it's Lewis' accent and speech patterns that gives the
impression that he's more of a physical guy than an intellectual, though he
did what he could to increase his mental acuity. He was drawn to the more
intellectual types (Lee, Nathaniel Brandon)

-B

>Badger Jones
>www.youngforest.ca
>" One may have a thought and not say it.
>This does not make me insular, it
>merely separates me from you and that
>mad woman who's always shouting at the
>pigeons outside the supermarket."

.

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