Re: Do all Martial Arts require forms???
- From: "Shuurai" <Shuurai11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 28 Sep 2005 14:26:30 -0700
ordosclan@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Seen much Ziranquan? Yiquan? Tongbei? Chin-na? How about
> Shenda? Spiritual kung fu?
No, no, no, yes, no, great movie.
> What about styles that are patterned? Pattern is not the same
> as form.
Yes, pattern is by definition the same as form.
> Gong and Yao are the two forms but they dont imply movement.
If you're not moving then you aren't doing anything.
> They denote that one set of patterns are for cultivating internal
> energy, usually after the psycho-physical-emotional aspects of
> animals.
And once you start moving - if there is a "correct" way of moving
according to the system - then you're working off a form. If there
isn't a correct way of moving then you're just pretending to be
an animal, which falls more under "theater arts" than "martial
arts."
> The other develps the gong or gung which are the manifestations
> (what you see on the oustide) of the internal energy.
Which, if they are at all defined or taught, are the form.
> For instance, leopard might combine yang and yin wood and yin
> water.
Without opposable thumbs? I doubt that.
> There is a posture where you point your finger into your open
> palm of the left hand.
A specific movement that you're supposed to do, eh? Sounds like
a form.
> This is a variation of the "parasol" mudra which is when you
> place the right index finger in the center of the left palm
> with the left palm spread (an internal tiger claw which stretches
> the meridians without cutting off chi flow to the fingertips).
Another specific movement that you're supposed to do? Sounds like
another form. I'm glad you're finally seeing the light.
> A energy worker might train this similar "gong" pattern
> with the sword finger to develop the energy projection of the
> finger, while feeding the energy back into the body.
If he's moving, and he's moving in a specific manner that has
been shown to him, then he's doing a form.
> If it was martially oriented, your hand would obviously suffer
> damage.
Doesn't change that it's movement - and thus a form.
> Its obvious that the former posture is based on older seated
> taoist or tantra.
Which are also forms.
> And there are other evidences.
Other? You haven't shown one yet.
> Not all martial arts have forms.
Yes, they all do.
> "Kung fu" doesnt have forms they are called Kuens or Chuans.
In karate they're called kata. In TKD they're called something
else. They're all still forms.
> Some have Roads.
Which is another name for forms.
> Others have Patterns.
It's amazing to me that someone who professes himself as some
kind of taoist is so terribly stuck on names...
> Others teach in levels or layers.
Of forms.
> Which is the case of the emei white tiger tai chi.
I know a fellow who does that - he does forms.
> The terms are not arbitrary they are specific to a certain
> principle underlying what you see on the outside.
Nope, they are in fact arbitrary, and they're all forms.
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