Re: dying group?

Good Soldier Schweik wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:43:02 +1100, Krypsis <krypsis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Good Soldier Schweik wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:37:26 +1100, Krypsis <krypsis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Good Soldier Schweik wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:26:26 +0900, HawaiianEye
<HawaiianEye@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This will come as a surprise to you, Brucie, but not everyone needs to tell the world how famous they are, how many medals they have won, how many important people they know, how famous they are, and so on the way you do. Almost all your posts talk about how famous or smart you are or how many people you know in different places. (Well, to be fair, you do spend a lot of time talking about how stupid other people are, especially ones who don't agree with you.) You enjoy telling people about yourself. You probably need to tell people about yourself. I'm guessing most of it is bullshit. Judging by other people's posts, they do too. Probably everything coming out of your piehole is bullshit.
Well, here is Hawaiian Hi-Ho with the latest news.

Just to get things straight and keep you from lying any more then
necessary tell me again about all the times I have told people how
famous I am and how many medals I have won. Heh? Was it once, twice? a
hundred times? Or only in your fevered imagination?

And a few details about my fame and fortune would be nice .... just to
keep you honest, you know. Lord! If I'm famous I'd sure be glad to
hear about it.

And who have I been calling stupid? As far as I remember I haven't
even called you stupid, strange as that may seem.

But actually posting details isn't really in your line, is it? From
all I see you just like to rant and rave. Obviously logic is not one
of your strong points - and well, a facility with the English language
seems to be lacking also as you seem incapable of posting anything
sensible,

Perhaps a few facts? A few cites? Or just a repeat of your last two
posts? yadda, yadda, yadda.

As I mentioned I do find that your posts, illogical as they may be, do
fill the time between eating breakfast and going to work so I am not
adverse to answer them. But if you can't show a little imagination and
originality to make your posts at least marginally interesting I'll
just have to ignore you. After all if you expect to be noticed you do
have to show some originality... don't you?

Or perhaps, in your tiny group of acquaintances is "yadda, yadda,
yadda" considered titillating conversation? Perhaps it is........
cheers,

Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
For a person who professes to have been in the journalism business, you certainly do lack some fairly basic English language skills. You are a fine one to point out another posters lack of skill with the English language. Apart from an obvious lack of skill with punctuation and grammar, as evident in this post, you often seem confused as to the correct word usage in a given circumstance. I single out your improper use of the term "adverse" as just one example in this post. There are others!

Writing good, clear and unambiguous reports has been a major part of my 55 year career in the public service. Admittedly, your post is to a newsgroup and, as such, is not subject to the intense scrutiny that each and every one of my reports faces. Regardless, I would expect professional wordsmiths to aim for, and maintain, the highest possible standard in every aspect of their writing.

Since you state that you are American born and raised, I will assume that English, with allowances for Americanisms, is your native language. What cause do you posit as your excuse for the poor standards you display in your usage of your native language?

Since you are not averse to debating idioms, here is one for your consideration.

"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"

Krypsis
Adverse Ad"verse, a. [OE. advers, OF. avers, advers, fr. L.
adversus, p. p. advertere to turn to. See Advert.]
[1913 Webster]
1. Acting against, or in a contrary direction; opposed;
contrary; opposite; conflicting; as, adverse winds; an
adverse party; a spirit adverse to distinctions of caste.
[1913 Webster]

2. Opposite. "Calpe's adverse height." --Byron.
[1913 Webster]

3. In hostile opposition to; unfavorable; unpropitious;
contrary to one's wishes; unfortunate; calamitous;
afflictive; hurtful; as, adverse fates, adverse
circumstances, things adverse.
[1913 Webster]

Happy were it for us all if we bore prosperity as
well and wisely as we endure an adverse fortune.
--Southey.
[1913 Webster]

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Syn: Averse; reluctant; unwilling. See Averse.
[1913 Webster]
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English
v.0.48


Your complaint regarding puncutation I freely admit - I am careless -
but "adverse" is used correctly. See above.

cheers,

Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
No, "adverse" was not used correctly by you. Since you are keen to find sites that "seem" to show your usage of the word as correct, I will do likewise.


You have committed a "lie by omission, by not including the case where "averse" is used and the reasoning behind it. The three sites I selected are cited below with their respective URLs. To be fair to your heritage, I have selected American sites.

I suggest that you look above. I have even marked it with an "X" as
you obviously didn't read the above very closely.

You mean this I presume?

|Syn: Averse; reluctant; unwilling. See Averse.
|[1913 Webster]

You will note that the word is a "synonym", a word of similar meaning. Where "averse" varies is in the usage. That is my point.

You might also look particularly at the last dictionary bit below
where it contradicts your assertion that the word is never applied to
people.

Or you might try:

Main Entry:
ad·verse Listen to the pronunciation of adverse
Pronunciation:
\ad-\u02c8v\u0259rs, \u02c8ad-\u02cc\ Function:
adjective Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French advers, from Latin adversus,
past participle of advertere
Date:
14th century

1: acting against or in a contrary direction : hostile <hindered by
adverse winds>2 a: opposed to one's interests <an adverse verdict>
<heard testimony adverse to their position> ; especially : unfavorable
<adverse criticism> b: causing harm : harmful <adverse drug
effects>3archaic : opposite in position
\u2014 ad·verse·ly adverb
\u2014 ad·verse·ness noun

in:
1350\u20131400; ME < AF, OF advers < L adversus hostile (ptp. of
advertere), equiv. to ad- ad- + vert- turn + -tus ptp. suffix, with
-tt- > -s-

Related forms:
ad\u22c5verse\u22c5ly, adverb
ad\u22c5verse\u22c5ness, noun

Synonyms:
1. hostile, inimical, unfriendly. 2. unfavorable; unlucky,
unfortunate; disastrous, calamitous, catastrophic. See contrary.

Antonyms:
1\u20133. favorable.

This excerpt below that you so kindly cited also agrees with my assertion.

Usage note:
The adjectives adverse and averse are related both etymologically and
semantically, each having \u201copposition\u201d as a central sense.
Adverse is seldom used of people but rather of effects or events, and
it usually conveys a sense of hostility or harmfulness: adverse
reviews; adverse winds; adverse trends in the economy. Related nouns
are adversity and adversary: Adversities breed bitterness. His
adversaries countered his every move. Averse is used of persons and
^
My point

means \u201cfeeling opposed or disinclined\u201d; it often occurs
idiomatically with a preceding negative to convey the opposite meaning
\u201cwilling or agreeable,\u201d and is not interchangeable with
^
reinforces my point
adverse in these contexts: We are not averse to holding another
meeting. The related noun is aversion: She has a strong aversion to
violence. Averse is usually followed by to, in older use occasionally
by from.
^
Good explanation of where used!


Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.
Cite This Source
Explore the Visual Thesaurus »
Related Words for : adverse
harmful, inauspicious, untoward, contrary
View more related words »

Sponsored LinksOpen Disclosure Training
Commonwealth's largest communication skills provider
www.cognitiveinstitute.org
Free BPMN Designer
Design BPMN processes with ease Execute as BPEL on an App Server
www.intalio.com
New DOT 5th Edition
New Dictionary Of Occupational Titles 5th Ed w/O*NET Def 05pp $175
www.claitors.com
ad·verse (\u0101d-vûrs', \u0101d'vûrs') Pronunciation Key adj.

1. Acting or serving to oppose; antagonistic: adverse criticism.
2. Contrary to one's interests or welfare; harmful or unfavorable:
adverse circumstances.
3. Moving in an opposite or opposing direction: adverse currents.
4. Archaic Placed opposite.


[Middle English, from Old French advers, from Latin adversus, past
participle of advertere, to turn toward : ad-, ad- + vertere, to turn;
see wer-2 in Indo-European roots.]
ad·verse'ly adv., ad·verse'ness n.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Cite This Source

Adverse
Ad"verse\, a. [OE. advers, OF. avers, advers, fr. L. adversus, p. p.
advertere to turn to. See Advert.]

1. Acting against, or in a contrary direction; opposed; contrary;
opposite; conflicting; as, adverse winds; an adverse party; a spirit
adverse to distinctions of caste.

2. Opposite. "Calpe's adverse height." --Byron.

3. In hostile opposition to; unfavorable; unpropitious; contrary to
one's wishes; unfortunate; calamitous; afflictive; hurtful; as,
adverse fates, adverse circumstances, things adverse.

Happy were it for us all if we bore prosperity as well and wisely as
we endure an adverse fortune. --Southey.

Adverse possession (Law), a possession of real property avowedly
contrary to some claim of title in another person. --Abbott.

Syn: Averse; reluctant; unwilling. See Averse.

Adverse
Ad*verse"\, v. t. [L. adversari: cf. OF. averser.] To oppose; to
resist. [Obs.] --Gower.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
Cite This Source
Language Translation for : adverse
Spanish: adverso, desfavorable, negativo, German:
ungünstig,
Japanese: \u6575\u5bfe\u7684\u306a
More Translations »
adverse

adjective
1. contrary to your interests or welfare; "adverse
circumstances"; "made a place for themselves under the most untoward
conditions" 2. in an opposing direction; "adverse currents"; "a contrary
wind" WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
Cite This Source

adverse c.1374, from O.Fr. avers, from L. adversus "turned against," thus
"hostile," pp. of advertere, from ad- "to" + vertere "to turn" (see
versus).
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper
Cite This Source

Main Entry: ad·verse
Pronunciation: ad-'v&rs, 'ad-"v&rs
Function: adjective
: opposed to one's interests : operating to one's detriment adverse verdict>
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
Cite This Source
Embed as HTML
Search another word or see adverse on Thesaurus | Reference
Sponsored LinksAcas International
Employment relations guidance and advice delivered around the world
www.acas.org.uk
Safety Screening Services
Technology Development Company Determines the Safety of New Drugs
www.puracyp.com
Improve English Now
7 Rules You Must Know To Speak English Fast
www.EffortlessEnglishClub.com
Easy Hebrew Newspaper
Exciting Way to Learn Hebrew Heb-Eng Dictionary with each issue!
www.hebrewtoday.com
Litriocht.com
Every Irish language book in print Gach Leabhar Gaeilge i gclo
www.litriocht.com

About · Privacy Policy · Terms of Use · Link to Us · Report Ad ·
Contact Us

Copyright © 2009, Dictionary.com, LLC. All rights reserved.


Etymology

C.1374, from Old French avers (French: adverse), from Latin adversus
(\u201c\u2018turned against\u2019\u201d), past participle of
advertere, from ad- (\u201c\u2018to\u2019\u201d) + vertere
(\u201c\u2018to turn\u2019\u201d). See also versus.

[edit] Adjective

adverse (comparative adverser, superlative adversest)

Positive
adverse


Comparative
adverser


Superlative
adversest

1. Unfavorable; antagonistic in purpose or effect; hostile;
actively opposing one's interests or wishes; contrary to one's
welfare; acting against; working in an opposing direction.

adverse criticism
adverse circumstances

2. Opposed; contrary; holding an opposing or contrary opinion or
goal.

I'm not adverse to continuing the debate.

3. (not comparable) Opposite; confronting.

the adverse page
the adverse party

* 1809, Lord Byron, English Bards and Scotch Reviewers,
Google Books

Calpe's adverse height / [\u2026] must greet my sight

[edit] Usage notes

Adverse is sometimes confused with averse, though the meanings are
somewhat different. Adverse most often refers to things, denoting
something that is in opposition to someone's interests \u2014
something one might refer to as an adversity or adversary \u2014
(adverse winds; an attitude adverse to our ideals). Averse usually
refers to people, and implies one has a distaste, disinclination, or
aversion toward something (a leader averse to war; an investor averse
to risk taking). Averse is most often used with "to" in a construction
^
Yet again my point proven!

like "I am averse to\u2026". Adverse shows up less often in this type
of construction, describing a person instead of a thing, and should
carry a meaning of "actively opposed to" rather that "has an aversion
to".

[edit] Derived terms
cheers,

Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)

It's all very fine for you to cite numerous references to the meaning of adverse but you really should read and interpret that which you cite. I have no problem with the general meaning of "adverse", merely your usage. How much proof do you need that you really should have used "averse" instead of "adverse"?
A professional journalist of many decades standing would never make such blatant errors. Given your general disregard for the English language, I very much doubt that you have ever been involved in any field where writing is involved. Maybe you have written the odd military report in your supposed time in the services. I have seen many such errors in reports from those sources so that wouldn't surprise me greatly.

Krypsis


.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: dying group?
    ... Almost all your posts talk about how famous or smart you are or how many people you know in different places. ... I single out your improper use of the term "adverse" as just one example in this post. ... Since you are not averse to debating idioms, here is one for your consideration. ... [1913 Webster] ...
    (rec.knives)
  • Re: dying group?
    ... See Averse. ... where it contradicts your assertion that the word is never applied to ... The adjectives adverse and averse are related both etymologically and ... idiomatically with a preceding negative to convey the opposite meaning ...
    (rec.knives)
  • Re: dying group?
    ... use of the term "adverse" as just one example in this post. ... Since you are not averse to debating idioms, ... where it contradicts your assertion that the word is never applied to ... idiomatically with a preceding negative to convey the opposite meaning ...
    (rec.knives)
  • Re: Recipes to try........ YUMMY!!
    ... salivating. ... Adverse to a little good-natured fun, ... Should've been *averse*. ...
    (rec.food.cooking)