Re: Benjamin Coat of Arms

On Nov 26, 1:02 pm, Nathaniel Taylor <nltay...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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"Nicholas...@xxxxxxxxx" <Nicholas...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I thought the only Benjamin with a Coat of Arms was Sir Benjamin
Benjamin, Lord Mayor of Melbourne, Australia from 1887 - to 1889.

But according to:
http://americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Roll.B

An American colonist was using Arms in the 17th century. Anybody know
when these arms were granted?

This John Benjamin's birthplace & parentage are unknown (according to
Robert C. Anderson, _The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New
England, 1620-1633_). He has been claimed to belong to a Benjamin
family of Heathfield, Sussex, but that family is not armigerous to my
knowledge.

So while there is no authority for the arms, am I not even sure if there
is evidence that the immigrant in question actually used them. The roll
at the American Heraldry Society documents use of arms only and makes no
claim that these arms are used by any authority. Furthermore, the
sources (at least in this case) are unreliable in attributing use of
arms to specific founders of families: they may be erroneously backdated
from later use by descendants. Of the two cited sources for this man,
Crozier's _General Armory_ makes no specific claim that that immigrant
used these arms, only that they were used by the family which he
founded. I don't know about Matthews (the other cited source).

Nat Taylorhttp://www.nltaylor.net

The thing that surprised me most is the Arms are identical to those
registered by Sir Benjamin Benjamin in 1889. Both cited works were
published in the first decade 20th century, which is not a lot of time
for an American Benjamin to find an Australian Benjamin using this
Coat of Arms, and decide his ancestors used the same arms; much less
convince two authors to include the Coat in their books on American
heraldry.

Perhaps the family in Sussex assumed the coat, and both families are
descended from that one?

Or Arms peddlers were really, really efficient in the late 19th
century.

Nick
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