Re: EnglishFeudalTruth.com

I think most people on this forum will be sympathetic to anyone who has an interest in any subject related to heraldry - even feudal baronies. But if you are not prepared to reveal your name, I do not think people will take you seriously, and they might even question your motives. Why not just be a public nuisance like me? If you are genuine, no-one will bite your head off (apart from all the nutters on this forum who don't believe in English feudal baronies of course).

<user1290182@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1178473723.704054.67090@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Gentlemen,

What a treat to speak with informed individuals as yourselves and,
also, those earnestly seeking to become so.

Manorial lordships are a unique form of, what is now classified as,
land ownership. Often, this fact is repeated ad nauseum in an attempt
to underscore the importance, past and present, of this form of
title. Though not a modern day peerage (those created after 1660),
these remnants of England's proud feudal past served as the building
blocks of nobility for over a millennium. After The Conquest, William
seized much of the lands of Saxon lords and parceled it out to loyal
followers. This arrangement strictly adhered to Norman "Iron Law":
Nulle terre sans dominus, Nulleus sans terre (No land without a lord;
No lord without land). You see, land ownership was the central
important feature of nobility previous to the year 1660. In fact,
modern peers even assume territorial designations in an attempt to
seem attached to the land. They are not and have none of the possible
rights over it that a very few "quality" lordships can claim.
Granted, the vast majority of lordships have deteriorated over the
centuries to a radical extent. Today, many bought and sold are
totally unprovable, unregistered, unverifiable, and subject to pseudo-
scholarly research into lineage. It is a deplorable thing indeed.
However, not all manors have fallen into disrepair. A few were
responsibly maintained to the modern day through continuous
inheritance and succession. It is this slim minority that I speak of
and the only I deign to be truly worthy of any discussion at all.

Scots baronies were, previously, one of the best options for titular
investment. The Lord Lyon would grant official recognition, letters
patent, and even a coat of arms with specific baronial additions (robe
and chapeau). However, after recent legislation, things have changed
dramatically. The legislation completely severed the baronial titles
from the lands that they have been attached to for hundreds of years.
Though the titles continue to exist and incorporeal hereditaments,
this separation has deeply wounded the significance and usefulness of
such titles. Further The Lord Lyon seems bent on no longer
recognizing such baronies with the addictaments they deserve as such
additions were only representations of a connection to the land that
is no longer there. Though this argument is logical, it seems sad to
see such a proud tradition extinguished.

English manorial lordships do still have a connection to the land
which their name represents. Though many are in horrible disrepair,
some enjoy official UK recognition. The UK Land Registry had
stringent requirements of proof for registry of a manor. Everything
listed on a title extract had to be proven beyond any doubt. Official
Ordinance Survey maps had to be researched and drawn up to verify
jurisdiction. In short, the whole process took months of research and
this is why a title extract from the Land Registry is admissible in a
court of law and considered 100% proof of all it implicitly states
within it. Registration is no longer possible as it was cut off in
2003. However, those already registered continue to be so and may be
transferred (by sale or inheritance) with relative ease.

Such registered manors often do not have many (if any) ancient feudal
rights mentioned in the title extract. Such rights can be highly
profitable and must be proved to have existed previously via original
manorial documentation and scholarly reference. As most have no such
documentation, they are awarded no recognized rights over, under, or
on the land. However, within the minority of registered lordships
lies an even smaller sub-minority of those with extensive
documentation and a large number of provable and enjoyable rights
considered as "overriding interests" by the UK gov't. Such rights
may include the right to minerals, quarries, woods, commons, right to
hold a fair and derive royalties from it, right to hold a market and
charge rents, right to fish and animals (i.e. fishing and sporting
rights that can be licensed out), and these are only just a few of the
many that some enjoy. Obviously, when dealing with areas as large as
999 hectares, mineral rights, alone, could be quite lucrative. Again,
proof of such rights is dependent on their mention in the official
title extract.

The titles available are two within this sub-minority and, likely, the
best two brought to public market in a great long while. They are so
complete, well researched, documented, and registered that their
quality makes even the most educated scholar blink and rub his eyes in
disbelief. What a pleasure to work with such fine examples of a
ancient tradition. We ask that those interested register with our
website directly to acquire access. A wealth of information lies
therein including copies of official title extracts, list of original
manorial documentation, and extensive history. Again, this is what
manorial lordships SHOULD look like.

On a separate issue, I understand your desire for personal
transparency. However, I am but one of a small team and all
communication is, truly, intended to be from the website and not from
any one specific individual. We strive to serve potential buyers and
our seller-clients with the highest degree of professionalism. Part
of this professionalism is respecting our client's wishes regarding
privacy. This is why we require email registration and why we do not
begin conversing as individuals with any except serious, and proven,
buyers. This is not to be taken as an insult. It is only an attempt
to safeguard the sanctity of personal privacy on the vast public forum
of the internet. You will find us much more open in personal
communication rather than public.

Again, we hope all is well with those who read this message and that
life is treating you gently. Have a great day.

With High Regard,
EnglishFeudalTruth.com

ps. Though we are not working in tandem with The Lords Feudal
publishing firm directly, we do have express permission to display
their logo as some of their work is contained within the site. I will
do some digging and see what I can find out about the exact specifics
regarding the origin of the logo. Again, best wishes.


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  • Re: Scottish Feudal Titles Questions
    ... LOM titles and Scots barons. ... their connection to real land. ... They have three functional, partible aspects; the title, the rights, ... be registered with HM's Land Registry exist in another cadre ...
    (rec.heraldry)
  • Re: Scottish Feudal Titles Questions
    ... LOM titles and Scots barons. ... their connection to real land. ... They have three functional, partible aspects; the title, the rights, ... be registered with HM's Land Registry exist in another cadre ...
    (rec.heraldry)
  • Re: EnglishFeudalTruth.com
    ... Manorial lordships are a unique form of, what is now classified as, ... Nulleus sans terre (No land without a lord; ... rights over it that a very few "quality" lordships can claim. ... stringent requirements of proof for registry of a manor. ...
    (rec.heraldry)
  • Re: Scottish Feudal Titles Questions
    ... to lump Scots barons in with LOM's is a bit foolhardy. ... LOM's, however, ARE land. ... They have three functional, partible aspects; the title, the rights, ... be registered with HM's Land Registry exist in another cadre ...
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