Re: The diference between English and Scotish Barons?
- From: Guy Stair Sainty <guy@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 18 Feb 2006 06:09:52 -0800
In article <1140256965.366162.122990@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Andrew
says...
Dr wrote:
what kind of heraldical prerogatives are (if any) attached (can be
granted) to Lordships of The Manors?
IIUC main difference between feudal Baronies and English (now UK
Barons) is attachmend of the title with possesion of landmark and/or
building (or was) which isn't the case with English Barons?
Feudal Barons are not regarded as peerage?
Is it true that Lordship of the manor can use Lord title before his
name?
PS: I have not any intentions to by me a title,but the differences
between continentall titles and UK ones is so large that such fact it
self make it very dificult for me to understand the system. So tnx in
advance for your ansvers.
Are you sure of this? If it is indeed the case, then the central premise for
4. Read the post above. Since 28 November 2004 you may not buy a right
to a valid (recognised by the Crown) title of nobility in the UK.
Before this date you might buy a feudal barony in Scotland (meant,
feudal territorial jurisdiction of baronial rank), and the dignity of a
Baron derived from the holding of such a noble and jurisdictional fief
(ex-officio) under provision of Feudal Tenure System (The Crown was
High feudal Superior, a Baron was direct feudal Vassal of the Crown).
This system was abolished since 28 November 2004.
Somebody believes that it is possible to assign a dignity of a Baron
from one living person to another (rather then after death of a
current Baron to his heir, that is only normal way, it is in usage for
all feudal hereditary rights , for a coat of arms, for a position of a
Clan Chief, etc)
Believes that it is possible to assign a dignity of a Baron from one
living person to another is an doubtful unofficial position, ant it is
not recognised by the Crown (by the Court of the Lord Lyon).
the decision of the Scottish parliament not to abolish the titles altogether
would be lost, since such abolition would have given rise to claims for
compensation for the loss of value. If a barony can no longer be sold, then
the value is lost anyway, thus giving rise to such claims for compensation.
Surely the consideration that the Lord Lyon applies is whether or not the
original caput is included in the transfer, and properly registered with the
Land Registry. Although the titles are no longer attached to the caput, I
had understood that the Lord Lyon was treating these as if they were indeed
still so connected.
--
Guy Stair Sainty
www.chivalricorders.org/index3.htm
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