Re: The diference between English and Scotish Barons?


Dr wrote:
what kind of heraldical prerogatives are (if any) attached (can be
granted) to Lordships of The Manors?
IIUC main difference between feudal Baronies and English (now UK
Barons) is attachmend of the title with possesion of landmark and/or
building (or was) which isn't the case with English Barons?
Feudal Barons are not regarded as peerage?
Is it true that Lordship of the manor can use Lord title before his
name?
PS: I have not any intentions to by me a title,but the differences
between continentall titles and UK ones is so large that such fact it
self make it very dificult for me to understand the system. So tnx in
advance for your ansvers.

1. No any heraldic prerogative for Lord of the Manor. Lordship of the
Manor was a minor feudal title (but it is not a title of nobility, but
a Baron (feudal baron) is). Lord of the Manor may not be styled as
Lord. Lord of the Manor is an rudimental form of landholding, and may
be described as name of owner of dogs and ducks.

2. Read the post above. There is not such thing as feudal baronies in
England (there is not English feudal barons). There is a con-trading
with Lordships of the Manor under the name of "baronies".

3. Former Feudal Baronies of Scotland (or Minor Baronies of Scotland),
now is a simply 'dignity of a Baron of Scotland' (feudal in origin)
generally does not considered as Peerage (but, there are several
exceptions, for example the Barony of Torphichen, but it is another
story).
Dignity of a Baron of Scotland is a 'title of nobility less then
peerage rank'. In Scotland the system of nobility is different from
English one, and not just peers considered as nobility, but there are
several different noble ranks derived from Feudal System.

4. Read the post above. Since 28 November 2004 you may not buy a right
to a valid (recognised by the Crown) title of nobility in the UK.
Before this date you might buy a feudal barony in Scotland (meant,
feudal territorial jurisdiction of baronial rank), and the dignity of a
Baron derived from the holding of such a noble and jurisdictional fief
(ex-officio) under provision of Feudal Tenure System (The Crown was
High feudal Superior, a Baron was direct feudal Vassal of the Crown).
This system was abolished since 28 November 2004.
Somebody believes that it is possible to assign a dignity of a Baron
from one living person to another (rather then after death of a
current Baron to his heir, that is only normal way, it is in usage for
all feudal hereditary rights , for a coat of arms, for a position of a
Clan Chief, etc)
Believes that it is possible to assign a dignity of a Baron from one
living person to another is an doubtful unofficial position, ant it is
not recognised by the Crown (by the Court of the Lord Lyon).

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